A difference of ~1200 was enough to make Piccolo and Goku completely unable to even scratch Radditz. They literally could not harm him without their most powerful techniques.
Differences in power level are relative.
The difference of 30.000.000 would mean nothing if your powerlevel is currently amongst the billions.
And yes, Goku would've put a better fight because, unlike Freeza, Goku actually knows how to fight someone stronger than himself, and how to boost his power to catch up, and how to make up for the difference in other ways.
Freeza could not, and that was why he got his ass kicked so hard.
edited 16th Aug '15 8:43:42 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWow, can't believe I forgot about the power level business. Also, the manga. DERP. Yeah, 30 million is a pretty large gap. I kinda hate it, though, as it kinda breaks the fight. Fights between even fighters tend to be much more exciting, hence why I referenced the anime fight. I still hate Frieza for starting the transformation trend. It's kinda funny how similar his transformations are to the Sayian ones, if you match SS1 with his base form. His second form has a larger body, greater power, and spikier...spikes? His third form is even stronger, with an elongated head (super-lengthened hair, anyone), and his fourth form is very different from the rest, but still visibly similar enough to identify (Super Saiyan 4).
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So now I think it might have been better if Goku had the 120 000 000 power level.
I mean, think about it. Not only would Frieza have lost, and not just to a dirty monkey, but he would lose to a monkey that was still weaker than him.
Am I on to something here?
One Strip! One Strip!Of course, another theory put forward is that the difference starts because Kuririn holds back. In the future, he charges forward and the Androids decide to kill everyone. In the present, he hesitates because he now has knowledge of the timeline where the Androids kill him, and the Androids leave. I quite like that idea as well, but my preferred answer is still Gero messing with them some more in the future timeline.
I like to attribute it to the three years of training. An attack that would put post-training Vegeta face down in the ground would put pre-training Vegeta six feet under it. They used the same level of strength, but the protagonists were able to survive it.
But yes, they are explicitly identified as less evil than their Future counterparts so that's the primary answer.
Zarbon did it first.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.You're onto a fight that Goku couldn't have won. And it would have been bullshit if the super secret ultra prophecy was still weaker than the bad guy.
My various fanfics.Hilariously, the super secret prophecy bullshit was bullshit anyway because Super Saiyan isn't some sort of super duper legendary transformation, it's something every Saiyan can do if strong and motivated enough.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariIt's not a prophecy, it's a legend. That it only happens once every 1,000 years is a mistranslation of Vegeta's statement that the last time it happened was 1,000 years ago. He was relaying history, not recounting prophecy.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.True. It's 'cause Goku got it first, I think.
If Vegeta became the Super Saiyan, he'd be all, "Haha, I have the ultimate power now, nothing can surpass this!"
But Goku got it, and he's a martial artist, so he was all, "This is neat! Well, time to work on mastering it and figuring out all the little quirks of how it works in order to maximize my combat efficiency."
Then Vegeta had to play keep-up and couldn't just be content with being the strongest thing ever.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Which is weird, because logically Super Saiyan two is the best. Even stronger, even faster, no serious drawbacks like Super Saiyan three.
My various fanfics.Super Saiyan 3 is actually the best. The power boost really does offset the massive drawbacks. If you can't kill it before the drawbacks of SSJ 3 start to affect you, then there was no way in hell SSJ 2 would have defeated it.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariTo be fair, 1 gives a bigger boost than 2 and 3 combined and, though I think they were physically capable, non of the base Saiyans had actually surpassed Freeza's full power by the time Battle of Gods happened(with the exception of Gohan but he had all of the non-God power he would ever have unlocked by magic, so he doesn't count).
Not really, when it comes to fights: even if someone's base is stronger than yours, if you have one higher Super Saiyan form over the opponent; you're almost always winning that fight. The thing that matters isn't how much stronger than base each level makes you, the thing that matters is how much of a difference is there between you and a person one level below you.
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No, between Super Saiyan being times 50 base and 2 and 3 being times 100 and 400 base. It's obvious which ones are better.
Seeing as the only times super saiyans fought was in the Buu saga with Goku and Vegeta and we have no reason to think that's going to happen again I don't see how that's at all relevant. It's not like they're constantly fighting enemy super saiyans. That the latter two are relatively small multipliers of the first transformation means nothing when ultimately they're all multipliers of the base form.
Edit: And seeing as you were the one originally arguing that Super Saiyan 1 was better than the other two I'm not really sure what you were trying to prove with that comment. That you were wrong?
edited 16th Aug '15 11:08:36 AM by LSBK

Well my math was always kinda poor.
I feel like if it was reversed, Goku could have still put up a fight if he was 25% weaker.
One Strip! One Strip!