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#22951: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:33:04 PM

I like the humans and all, but they've served their purpose and really are just too weak to be of any real help or use. Focusing on them being the strongest would feel contrived because you'd have to literally make something up to justify them keeping up with races that have far better racial traits.

I think you're assuming too much re: this series's aversion to complete Ass Pulls to make certain characters stronger. See also: those far better racial traits.

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#22952: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:36:43 PM

[up][up][up][up] That's fine every now and then but that's form without substance which is poor storytelling.

edited 15th Aug '15 9:37:27 PM by Zelenal

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#22953: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:37:02 PM

On a completely different note, was Z actually dubbed before the original, or am I misremembering?

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#22954: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:37:55 PM

[up][up] Pretty much this.

The other problem I have with it is that it's just really not that awesome. Especially when done consecutively.

It's pretty shallow fanservice at best.

[up] English or otherwise? Dragon Ball had the first English dub, but it was shortlived and not handled by Funimation.

@Pushover (my reply that was swallowed by the last page, and by editing it in instead of making a new post).

edited 15th Aug '15 9:40:06 PM by Saiga

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#22955: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:41:22 PM

Dragon Ball wasn't dubbed until long after it was over in Japan/.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#22956: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:41:48 PM

[up][up] English. So there was a dub of the pre-Z series first? When was that aired?

edited 15th Aug '15 9:41:55 PM by HamburgerTime

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#22957: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:44:15 PM

I mean, the fights could mean something to the characters without meaning something to the overarching storyline: maybe a Mafia boss has kidnapped Marron and reset Lazuli causing Krillin to have to rescue his daughter and both survive and get though to his wife in a "I Know You're in There Somewhere" Fight while all the powerful and important cosmic stuff happens elsewhere.

I would probably like the Ginyus vs Humans fight more if the animation, fight choreography, and Chioutzu's 'fight' with Guldo didn't suck horribly. Great concept, terrible execution.

edited 15th Aug '15 9:44:51 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#22958: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:45:10 PM

[up][up] Sometime in the 1980s. It's the dub that renames everyone so Goku is "Zero" and other such fuckery. Like I said, it was shortlived.

[up] 18 being bested by a human mafia boss. Marron used as a rescuee for Kuririn. What a treat.

edited 15th Aug '15 9:46:25 PM by Saiga

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#22959: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:46:01 PM

Its still poor storytelling because you're only doing it for the sake of Fanservice.

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#22960: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:46:29 PM

[up][up] Ah. But the actual dub of pre-Z that we know game after Z?

edited 15th Aug '15 9:46:40 PM by HamburgerTime

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#22961: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:53:37 PM

Funimation's dub of DB, the most well known one, yes.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#22962: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:55:58 PM

Thank you.

I also had an idea for a Krillin/18 episode, involving them having to fight General Copper (the apparent last surviving Red Ribbon officer), who through a combination of training and leftover Gero tech has made himself about as strong as #19. After they defeat him they get their hands on Gero's files and 18 learns her real name.

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#22963: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:56:54 PM

So he becomes strong enough for 18 to effortlessly demolish without any input from Kuririn? 19 couldn't even match Vegeta after absorbing Goku's energy. And we all know how he compared to 18 at the time.

edited 15th Aug '15 9:57:25 PM by Saiga

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#22964: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:57:48 PM

Yeah, it'd be an easy fight, but it'd just be a one-episode dealie.

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#22965: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:59:51 PM

@Saiga Regarding Goten and/or Trunks Vs Piccolo: we are clearly at an impasse. Drop the debate until it comes up again?

Regarding human fights: in my hypothetical scenario, Marron is a small, unpowered, child, if a mafia boss wanted to kidnap her, her independently freeing herself would be enormously unrealistic. Regarding Lazuli: I was thinking more her going in to rescue Marron and being a One-Woman Army until she's stopped by a scientist who replicated the shut-off remote from blueprints found in Capsule Corp's history files who would than reset her to 'kill and destroy mode' albeit still with personality intact. Stories like that, personal to our heroes but not important to the main plot, sound awesome and like something I would love to watch.

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#22966: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:00:09 PM

If its one off filler, then I wouldn't mind./

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#22967: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:03:09 PM

[up][up] I'm not saying Marron should free herself. While it's sensible that she could be kidnapped, making the choice to have her kidnapped leaves a bad taste in my mouth. You could just not do that.

Same thing for 18 being saved by Kuririn, no matter what reason given for it. The only couple where the female is stronger and she still needs to be saved by her man.

I don't know if you saw my last post last page, but either way I'm fine with not continuing it.

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#22968: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:04:05 PM

Yea, that screams of Unfortunate Implications.

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#22969: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:19:47 PM

Hell, have Krillin get kidnapped for knowing too much.

Lazuli just sighs in annoyance and perhaps disgust before just casually blasting her way to her husband. She glares Krillin. He tries to talk his way out of it and fails miserably. After Krillin finishes up, Lazuli forces him to get back into fighting shape and to speed a week on the couch.

There's you're episode. Quick, funny, and it lets Lazuli do stuff even if it's at the expense of Krillin.

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#22970: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:20:01 PM

When it comes to stories like that, it's all about how it's presented: while it could be presented as 'Krillin needs to not hurt his wife until she gets some sense and he rescues her' it could also be presented as 'Lazuli needs to save Krillin from herself while Krillin desperately utilizes all of his martial arts skill to survive'.

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#22971: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:21:18 PM

It still sounds pretty skeevy bruh.

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#22973: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:21:37 PM

What about my idea?

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#22975: Aug 15th 2015 at 10:22:50 PM

I cannot see justification for a "Krillin saves 18" scenario.


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