Only thing I don't like about Power Levels is how they've led to stupid and illogical debates.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.....
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That's a fair enough assessment.
Then again, most of the characters learned the same techniques Goku did. Just because it took him a year to learn it (and recall, he never learned to go past three without fucking up his own body something fierce), doesn't mean the others couldn't do it at all, just that it would take them longer for once.
That being said, you are probably right.
That's what we all hate about Power Levels.
I'd also argue Toriyama did an awful job of subverting them. He may not give numbers anymore, but the fact that we constantly lament how other characters don't get to do anything because they Can't Catch Up means that Power Levels are still very important. There are the only things that have meaning in a fight anymore.
edited 14th Aug '15 4:36:10 PM by HandsomeRob
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Tenshinhan learned the Kamehameha from one time seeing it also, in a scene which was specifically designed to make him into Goku's Evil Counterpart for the tournament.
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I already explained how being at 50% power and being at 50% energy are drastically different circumstances.
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Don't worry, I try to stay polite in Power Level debates when people aren't just mindlessly writing them off as bullshit.
Power Levels were always one of the only things that mattered when it came to fights; when has a weaker character ever beaten a significantly stronger character in a one-on-one? Never?
edited 14th Aug '15 4:40:36 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
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Oh right. What I meant was that he initially couldn't go past three without fucking up his body.
You could say that he learned Kaiouken, but didn't fully master it until he training on the way to Namek.
edited 14th Aug '15 4:39:35 PM by HandsomeRob
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It's more like in Xenoverse: Gohan was low on Ki. Ki being low doesn't start affecting your Power Level until you use a TON of it; other-wise characters would grow weaker with every Ki Blast fired and attacks as strong as your own Power Level, much less surpassing it as we have seen them do, would drain all your life force. Just because you're tired doesn't mean you're weaker.
edited 14th Aug '15 4:47:06 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Gohan and Cell were both firing an All Or Nothing Full Power Kamehameha, with all of their power poured into it. Even under your logic, Gohan was limited to half of the power that Kamehameha could have possibly had.
And the fact is, Gohan was at half energy... which means he was at Half Power.
For them, their ki is everything. When their ki starts to drop, their attacks are weaker and they are hurt more easily. When they are hurt, their ki drops. Ki is their Health, their Strength stat, their Endurance stat, their Speed stat - ki is everything. If their ki is halved, then their every ability is halved because of it.
By the by, on the Kaioken...
I think it has less to do with talent and more to do with how strong your body is. Goku's Saiyan Body can endure it. It's probable a human body just can't, and it's useless for other Saiyans who know about the Super Saiyan transformation and can do it, which is the entire rest of the saiyan cast.
edited 14th Aug '15 4:54:20 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
No, that's... not at all how that works. Ki is the body's natural kinetic energy made manifest into auras and beams. If someone is low on Ki, that's no different from them being tired from exercise. Just like how, if you just sparred with someone and are tired from the exercise, you don't get actively weaker, you just get tired.
edited 14th Aug '15 5:02:24 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
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. Even Wikipedia is less wrong than you are.
Ki and Spirit energy in Dragon Ball are two VERY different and distinct things, though connected. Spirit energy is your life force and Ki is more like the energy you use for physical labor. Getting hurt can make you tired and being tired can make you sluggish and lower your reaction time, but in Dragon Ball, Ki and Spirit energy are NOT the same thing.
edited 14th Aug '15 5:11:55 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Hey, if you're Obito, you at least have intangibility and teleportation to literally everywhere on the planet.
Also, how the fuck did you all write all this in the time it took me to write that?
edited 14th Aug '15 5:14:01 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
You're incredibly drunk.
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You're thinking of Naruto, because in Dragon Ball, Ki is Ki is Ki. It's Ki. Spiritual, physical, mental - Ki is Ki is Ki.
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Well, he is the coolest guy......According to Naruto, which just adds to the reasons why it's bullshit mind you.
No, I don't care what powers he has. Fuck Obito.
Yeah, that thing about human bodies not being able to take it makes sense.....though it's not confirmed, but since we know that they will never learn, nor would it matter if they did, I'll accept that.
edited 14th Aug '15 5:21:36 PM by HandsomeRob
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No, I'm pretty sure they aren't.
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Me and Zel had a discussion about this, and there's a perfectly logical explanation for why no one learned the Kaioken besides Goku.
It's fucking impossible.
Think about it. Goku, ever since he saw Roshi do the Kamehameha wave, has shown the innate ability to master any technique he sees by watching it done once. It still takes him nearly a YEAR to master Kaoiken and the Genki Dama. If the Mozart of Martial Arts takes forever to do it, Baldy Mc Three Eyes ain't got a prayer.
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