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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#22801: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:27:29 PM

I really can't see the boys being above 18 and Piccolo. That would make Present Trunks stronger than his future self.

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#22802: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:28:40 PM

Yeah.

If the Potara behaved fairly, Goku actually would have gotten weaker by fusing with Vegeta. His power was roughly equal to Vegeta's when they fought as Super Saiyan 2, so fusing with Vegeta is basically a x2 multiplier to his Super Saiyan form in exchange for losing a x8.

If he's lucky, he's able to power up to Super Vegito 2 and just didn't because it was unnecessary, which means a Fair Potara would allow Vegito to reach a power equal to 200 Gokus or half what Goku can achieve as Super Saiyan 3.

Fortunately, Fusion is ridiculous and far exceeds the sum of its parts.

edited 14th Aug '15 3:28:54 PM by TobiasDrake

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#22803: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:28:50 PM

And then there's Super Sayian God Goku who's > 400 Vegetto's.

Isn't power inflation fun? tongue

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#22804: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:29:45 PM

I really can't see the boys being above 18 and Piccolo. That would make Present Trunks stronger than his future self.

Future Trunks didn't have Goten to spar with every day of his life.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22805: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:30:28 PM

[up][up]

NO.

edited 14th Aug '15 3:30:35 PM by HandsomeRob

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#22806: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:32:08 PM

[up][up] He did survive in a postapocalyptic wasteland though.

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#22807: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:32:51 PM

Super Saiyan God SS > Super Saiyan God by some unknown amount, though still weaker than Beerus at 100%.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#22808: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:48:22 PM

[up][up]In a postapocalyptic wasteland where there was no one to train him.

Put simply: Future Trunks is rightfully weaker than Present Trunks, as he has, for the most part, vastly inferior training.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#22809: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:49:44 PM

Supposedly even fusion wouldn't be enough for Beerus.

Personally, I think Vegirot would be a 1 on the Beerus scale.

To Super Saiyan God Goku's 6, Beerus's 10, and Whis's 15.

edited 14th Aug '15 3:52:06 PM by unnoun

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22811: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:52:11 PM

[up][up][up]This is true.

He also has less time to train as well, since there's the whole fixing the future world.

I know we don't take Dragonball Multiverse to heart or anything, but when Future Trunks fights main timeline Vegeta in that Tournament and Vegeta asks if he's been training, Trunks actually brings this up, saying he's still at the Grade three (or whatever we call it) Form.

Hell, the improvement in training he got in the past was as important to defeating Androids 17, 18 and Cell as the increase in power.

edited 14th Aug '15 3:52:25 PM by HandsomeRob

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#22812: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:53:50 PM

[up][up]A Gohan who never even got close to reaching his full potential.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#22813: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:55:01 PM

[up][up][up]Gohan got boatmurdered tho.

Anyway, I still think that Goku was talking about the fusion dance and not the Potara, because I don't think neither he nor Vegeta consider the Potara an option. I mean, even if Beerus is about to destroy Earth... there's always Plan B, just bring it back with the Dragon Balls later.

edited 14th Aug '15 3:55:19 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22814: Aug 14th 2015 at 3:55:16 PM

[up][up]But failed just as much.tongue

Edit: [up] You seem creative enough to [nja] me!!!

~Shakes fist~

edited 14th Aug '15 3:55:49 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#22815: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:04:14 PM

Well, Rob, we are Uchiha, so naturally, I'm setting you up so you become angry enough at me and murder me for my eyes only to then make you cry like a bitch when I reveal I was secretly a good guy and protecting you all along.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22816: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:05:40 PM

You are truly diabolical.....

Wait a minute!

No. I may be a damned dirty Uchia, but I ain't Sasuke!

I'll never fall that far.

You know, I totally want to see a situation where things are bad enough, that Kibito Kai makes more earrings so that Goku and Vegeta can fuse into Vegito again....

And Vegeta agrees without even missing a beat.

That's how bad things are. Of course, then we'd get Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegito, so fuck yeah.

edited 14th Aug '15 4:07:57 PM by HandsomeRob

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#22817: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:11:08 PM

Think about it, Rob. It could be worse. You could be Obito, dood.

Either way, I'm waiting for Heroes to show us SSJGSSJ Vegetto. I... actually don't know if they did much with him to be honest.

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#22818: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:13:25 PM

.....

I rather be Shisui. He's the best Uchiha ever.

Not saying much mind you, but I don't have any reasons to hate him like I do every other Uchiha in existence.

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#22819: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:13:46 PM

Wait, is Present Trunks stronger than his initial future self or after the latter trained in the ROSPAT?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22820: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:20:39 PM

It might be the second one.

He did achieve Super Saiyan at a much younger age, which means he's stronger than his future self at that age.

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#22821: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:23:17 PM

For me, Abo and Cado being 'as strong as Freeza' means they are anywhere between 530,000 and 120,000,000. Some of my post-Freeza numbers to show where I stand on Power Level debates:

Android Saga SS 1 Vegeta: 270,000,000

Android #18: 340,000,000

Android #17: 370,000,000

Piccolo: 400,000,000

Imperfect Cell: 630,000,000

Android #16: 650,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell: 1,000,000,000

Super Vegeta: 1,350,000,000

Cell Games SS 1 Goku: 3,000,000,000

Cell Games SS 2 Gohan: 6,600,000,000

Perfect Cell: 4,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 6,300,000,000

Dabura: 6,000,000,000

Madjinn SS 2 Vegeta: 8,000,000,000

Buu Saga SS 3 Goku: 32,000,000,000

Post-HTC Goten and Trunks: 20,000,000

Super Buu: 50,000,000,000

SS 3 Gotenks: 52,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan: 75,000,000,000

Buuhan: 128,040,000,000

SS 1 Veggeto: 250,000,000,000

Kid Buu: 30,000,000,000

Tarble: 15

Abo and Cado: 16,000,000

Super SS 3 Goku: 40,000,000,000

Beerus: 10,000,000,000,000

Whis: 15,000,000,000,000

SSG Goku: 6,000,000,000,000

SSGSS Goku and Vegeta: 7,500,000,000,000

Golden Freeza: 8,500,000,000,000

And to top it all off: POWER LEVELS ARE NOT BULLSHIT!!! They are, in fact, very consistent indicators of how strong people are and the only thing wrong with them is that the tools used for measuring them, the Scouters, can easily be tricked and have a tendency to explode. Just because the measuring device is broken doesn't mean that the entire system of measuring is wrong: it just means get a better measuring device.

edited 14th Aug '15 4:28:45 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#22822: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:23:45 PM

Well... I'm actually fairly sure Future Trunks would still kick his ass, but only because Present Trunks doesn't really give a shit about fighting, so by the time he reaches Future Trunks' age, he'd probably have gotten far weaker.

While I think Future Trunks has very little time for training, I don't think that he'd stop training entirely after killing Cell, if only because, well, he's probably kind of paranoid given his environment.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#22823: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:25:02 PM

[up][up] Toriyama introduced the concept of power levels to eventually subvert it yanno.

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#22824: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:30:14 PM

[up]Toriyama introduced Power Levels because they were a popular idea at the time.

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#22825: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:31:29 PM

If that's where you stand on Powerlevels, then you stand on the wrong side of the hill, dood.

Gohan as SSJ 2 is at least twice as strong as Super Perfect Cell. Half-Strength Gohan was still stronger than Super Perfect Cell, he was just lacking in confidence.

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