Yeah.
If the Potara behaved fairly, Goku actually would have gotten weaker by fusing with Vegeta. His power was roughly equal to Vegeta's when they fought as Super Saiyan 2, so fusing with Vegeta is basically a x2 multiplier to his Super Saiyan form in exchange for losing a x8.
If he's lucky, he's able to power up to Super Vegito 2 and just didn't because it was unnecessary, which means a Fair Potara would allow Vegito to reach a power equal to 200 Gokus or half what Goku can achieve as Super Saiyan 3.
Fortunately, Fusion is ridiculous and far exceeds the sum of its parts.
edited 14th Aug '15 3:28:54 PM by TobiasDrake
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In a postapocalyptic wasteland where there was no one to train him.
Put simply: Future Trunks is rightfully weaker than Present Trunks, as he has, for the most part, vastly inferior training.
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This is true.
He also has less time to train as well, since there's the whole fixing the future world.
I know we don't take Dragonball Multiverse to heart or anything, but when Future Trunks fights main timeline Vegeta in that Tournament and Vegeta asks if he's been training, Trunks actually brings this up, saying he's still at the Grade three (or whatever we call it) Form.
Hell, the improvement in training he got in the past was as important to defeating Androids 17, 18 and Cell as the increase in power.
edited 14th Aug '15 3:52:25 PM by HandsomeRob
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Gohan got boatmurdered tho.
Anyway, I still think that Goku was talking about the fusion dance and not the Potara, because I don't think neither he nor Vegeta consider the Potara an option. I mean, even if Beerus is about to destroy Earth... there's always Plan B, just bring it back with the Dragon Balls later.
edited 14th Aug '15 3:55:19 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
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But failed just as much.
Edit:
You seem creative enough to
me!!!
~Shakes fist~
edited 14th Aug '15 3:55:49 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!Well, Rob, we are Uchiha, so naturally, I'm setting you up so you become angry enough at me and murder me for my eyes only to then make you cry like a bitch when I reveal I was secretly a good guy and protecting you all along.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariYou are truly diabolical.....
Wait a minute!
No. I may be a damned dirty Uchia, but I ain't Sasuke!
You know, I totally want to see a situation where things are bad enough, that Kibito Kai makes more earrings so that Goku and Vegeta can fuse into Vegito again....
And Vegeta agrees without even missing a beat.
That's how bad things are. Of course, then we'd get Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegito, so fuck yeah.
edited 14th Aug '15 4:07:57 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!Think about it, Rob. It could be worse. You could be Obito, dood.
Either way, I'm waiting for Heroes to show us SSJGSSJ Vegetto. I... actually don't know if they did much with him to be honest.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari.....
I rather be Shisui. He's the best Uchiha ever.
Not saying much mind you, but I don't have any reasons to hate him like I do every other Uchiha in existence.
One Strip! One Strip!It might be the second one.
He did achieve Super Saiyan at a much younger age, which means he's stronger than his future self at that age.
One Strip! One Strip!For me, Abo and Cado being 'as strong as Freeza' means they are anywhere between 530,000 and 120,000,000. Some of my post-Freeza numbers to show where I stand on Power Level debates:
Android Saga SS 1 Vegeta: 270,000,000
Android #18: 340,000,000
Android #17: 370,000,000
Piccolo: 400,000,000
Imperfect Cell: 630,000,000
Android #16: 650,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell: 1,000,000,000
Super Vegeta: 1,350,000,000
Cell Games SS 1 Goku: 3,000,000,000
Cell Games SS 2 Gohan: 6,600,000,000
Perfect Cell: 4,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 6,300,000,000
Dabura: 6,000,000,000
Madjinn SS 2 Vegeta: 8,000,000,000
Buu Saga SS 3 Goku: 32,000,000,000
Post-HTC Goten and Trunks: 20,000,000
Super Buu: 50,000,000,000
SS 3 Gotenks: 52,000,000,000
Ultimate Gohan: 75,000,000,000
Buuhan: 128,040,000,000
SS 1 Veggeto: 250,000,000,000
Kid Buu: 30,000,000,000
Tarble: 15
Abo and Cado: 16,000,000
Super SS 3 Goku: 40,000,000,000
Beerus: 10,000,000,000,000
Whis: 15,000,000,000,000
SSG Goku: 6,000,000,000,000
SSGSS Goku and Vegeta: 7,500,000,000,000
Golden Freeza: 8,500,000,000,000
And to top it all off: POWER LEVELS ARE NOT BULLSHIT!!! They are, in fact, very consistent indicators of how strong people are and the only thing wrong with them is that the tools used for measuring them, the Scouters, can easily be tricked and have a tendency to explode. Just because the measuring device is broken doesn't mean that the entire system of measuring is wrong: it just means get a better measuring device.
edited 14th Aug '15 4:28:45 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
Well... I'm actually fairly sure Future Trunks would still kick his ass, but only because Present Trunks doesn't really give a shit about fighting, so by the time he reaches Future Trunks' age, he'd probably have gotten far weaker.
While I think Future Trunks has very little time for training, I don't think that he'd stop training entirely after killing Cell, if only because, well, he's probably kind of paranoid given his environment.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariIf that's where you stand on Powerlevels, then you stand on the wrong side of the hill, dood.
Gohan as SSJ 2 is at least twice as strong as Super Perfect Cell. Half-Strength Gohan was still stronger than Super Perfect Cell, he was just lacking in confidence.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I really can't see the boys being above 18 and Piccolo. That would make Present Trunks stronger than his future self.