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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#22426: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:06:57 PM

18% is tiny. When you have such a large cast of characters, it's ridiculous to complain one side character was incapacitated for 18% of the arc. Goku has been out of commission longer than that.

It doesn't matter that it was short - what matters is that is was good. Given how much happens in the Boo arc, it's pretty fast paced. Complain about the Saiyans all you want but most of the major battles were only a chapter or two long, because length is not a measure of quality.

An established cast that has already had plenty of moments throughout the manga. Setting them aside to develop newer characters is only fair. And they're not really pushed aside, because they don't have a reason to be involved in the first place.

I agree that Goku and Vegeta specifically have too much focus but I don't think it should be going to the humans or Piccolo. They wouldn't actually be much different with the focus on them, all of these characters have been explored enough to me.

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#22427: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:09:32 PM

I just had a thought, and it probably isn't that original, but I wanna share it.

Perfect Cell vs Gohan is the same as Vegeta vs Cell. Cell has the advantage for the opening chunk of the fight. If not in terms of power levels, then at least in terms of actually trying to fight. If he just put his hands around Gohan's neck and twisted, it's game over, the world is destroyed. But his Vegeta-Based biological imperative won't allow him to seize victory without knowing exactly how powerful his enemy is.

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#22428: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:11:42 PM

It's actually both Vegeta (for the reasons you stated) and Goku (who wants a good fight), and probably a bit of Freeza (loves letting people power up just to make them despair).

edited 8th Aug '15 7:11:54 PM by Zelenal

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#22429: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:13:37 PM

That's kind of what bothers me about Cell's actions. What Vegeta did was dumb, but at least he hadn't seen that exact situation 10 days before it and manipulated it himself.

What Vegeta did was super dumb. What Cell did wasn't even super dumb 2. It went even further beYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOND

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#22430: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:15:03 PM

It's like the opposite of Super Buu. Once Buu gained any intelligence, he started noticing how stupid and bullshit the entire series is.

"Super Vegito? Is that your official name now? What wonderful titles we've picked for ourselves. Super Buu, Super Vegito. We might as well say we're both invincible."

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#22431: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:16:49 PM

[up][up]No, stop it Saiga! If you do this now it's going to drain away all the time you have left on this thread! And I'd say you need every second of it as-is!!

edited 8th Aug '15 7:17:12 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#22432: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:37:19 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]If its their favorite character, it doesn't matter how "ridiculous" it is :V

I'm not saying the humans should suddenly get ubers amount of focus, but a little less focus on Goku & Vegeta would be nice.

Speaking of Super Buu, I rather like how Dangerously Genre Saavy he was; the minute he fuses with Gohan, he already considers himself the strongest but still says "fuck it" and goes to kill Goku & Vegeta anyway just to eliminate any chances. Its great.

edited 8th Aug '15 7:38:49 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#22433: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:47:38 PM

Well I explained how 10 characters could have their own focus in Super without any involvement from Goku or Vegeta, without even the need to power up but no, Dragon Ball isn't an ensemble cast you said, it wouldn't make sense if it was something Goku\Vegeta could easily solve you said.

Well does anyone else have any actual ideas on how to improve that problem? As is, no one is catching up to Goku or Vegeta unless it's another saiyan\hybrid, the won't be showing up for a long while Uub or if it's Beerus, who doesn't actually need to 'catchup' as stay ahead. I still think Videl getting her rematch with Spobovitch is a good idea.

Also, Goku being unable to sense a god's power level suggests he was using the KI of Bubbles The Monkey to warp to Other World. This also suggests he can't get to the realm of the Kaioshin without help.

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#22434: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:49:44 PM

Isn't Spopovich still dead?

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#22435: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:50:18 PM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#22436: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:56:52 PM

If its their favorite character, it doesn't matter how "ridiculous" it is :V

Yes, actually, it does. What doesn't matter is who someone's favourite character is. Having a favourite is a horrible reason to disregard logic, and playing to favourites is why Goku and Vegeta are being shoved in everyone's faces now.

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#22437: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:59:33 PM

Yes he is. Are you saying that plot line could would not have worked are you just saying it is unlikely? Piccolo getting a new bullshit power up to match the super saiyan 2-3-G is as unlikely as him simply getting a few chapters dealing with a mistake Popo made while trying to fix the door to the room of spirit and time. But they're both ways he could get more focus.

Hell, he could come back to life. Some cast members could come across a cursed swamp that recreates fears\failures\what have you. She could meet an asshole at the world tournament who boasts a power level exactly equal to Spobovitch (beating Satan's daughter would have made an impact on the general public) or a shapeshiter who takes on Spobovitch's form, because of his criminal connections or something whom Great Saiyaman II meets while crime fighting.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#22438: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:00:57 PM

I don't think Videl really needs to beat Spopovitch specifically. While I think the way it was handled originally was silly, I'd rather she get focus some other way rather than imply something like that has been dragging her down the whole time.

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#22439: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:01:13 PM

What I was saying that people aren't built to think purely on logic, we're emotional beings by nature. If they feel their favorite character isn't getting their due, they are within their right to complain and expect more to be done with them.

Its really not as black and white as "everyone gets a stupid power up to stay relevant" or "Goku & Vegeta are the only ones who matter"

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#22440: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:04:12 PM

A fun thing I'd like to see is Videl winning the World Martial Arts Tournament and remarking on how boring it is since she's now so strong from learning how to wield ki.

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#22441: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:14:08 PM

[up][up] No way. I know we have emotions, but there is nothing stopping people from questioning what they feel to come to a more informed conclusion.

Knee jerk reactions are understandable but that doesn't mean they're right. So if anyone is going to complain their favourite character deserves more without any valid reason, I will criticize it.

And I'm aware of that, which is why I wasn't just talking about stupid power ups but focus in general.

Although. I will say at this point, I would be more open to power ups for others than I would be in the context of the manga alone.

Because given each race their own version of a God form would actually make Super Saiyan God feel less stupid to me, because there is nothing tying Saiyans specifically to Gods and that would actually separate the concept from Saiyans and allow it to be its own thing. But I don't want to see every human character become a Human God or something.

edited 8th Aug '15 8:17:00 PM by Saiga

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#22442: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:16:04 PM

My favorite characters deserve more screentime because they're my favorite characters and my opinion is the only one that matters!

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#22443: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:17:21 PM

No, she doesn't. Just winning the Budokai would be something on of itself. Maybe finally surpassing\succeeding her father in the public view, which then sets up Pan to be a national/world hero.

But beating Spobovitch or something in his image/with his power level wouldn't be done to show it was holding her back all these years and now she's gone beyond it. It would be done to show the reader she's been training and growing stronger-something Gohan hasn't been doing. It'd ultimately be Gohan's genetics behind his daughter's success, but her mother's work ethic and competitive spirit that makes her better than him, as a fighter anyway. Wouldn't that be nice?

Again, beating Satan's daughter in the world tournament would be huge to the general public. Even if it's not something that really bugs Videl, it would be an infamous event the fighting community and fandom would be talking about for years if not decades to come. It'd make sense for the evil swamp, criminal shape shifter or wannabe world champ to think being like Spobovitch would be enough for him to defeat a woman who is considered the great Mr. Hercule Satan's equal, if not superior.

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#22444: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:17:54 PM

Dragon Ball has way too many superfluous characters. I hope Super cuts their screen time so it can properly focus on Goku and Vegeta adventures.

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#22445: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:20:08 PM

Okay, dood, we have to adress this.

It's Spopovitch. With a p.

Also funny would be Videl coming across a guy who looks like Spopovitch robbing a bank and laying him flat with one backhand while people are baffled that she's not affected, and she's all like "Well, sometimes you lose and you get the crap beaten out of you. It happens," when people question how she's unaffected by her loss against Spopovitch in a traumatic way.

edited 8th Aug '15 8:23:09 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#22446: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:21:58 PM

Hell, just give them new Potaras and we can cut out the middle man and only have Vegito adventures. It's the Vegito show! And these random assholes. What are their names? Crabcakes? Tincan? Yams?

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#22447: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:32:38 PM

I just figured out a really horrible prank that the Supreme Kai can play on people.

Just find two guys and use your kai magic to give each of them a Potara. And then laugh when they're stuck together for the rest of their combined life.

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#22448: Aug 8th 2015 at 9:00:05 PM

On my read through I actually keeps track of when everyone basically ceased being relevant. In order:

  • Roshi when he threw his match with Tien.
  • Chaozu after losing to Tao.
  • Yajirobe after cutting off Vegeta's tail.
  • Yamcha when he got owned by Gero.
  • Tien after his final attack on Cell.
  • Krillin after getting turned to stone by Dabura.

Everyone else basically lasts to the end, though Piccolo is mostly an advisor after being petrified.

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#22449: Aug 8th 2015 at 9:01:14 PM

Most of those characters weren't really relevant before those moments.

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#22450: Aug 8th 2015 at 9:02:54 PM

Chaozu never really had a purpose.

Yajirobe's only purpose before that was to take Goku to Korrin's Tower after Piccolo Daimaou almost killed him (and to be Bean Daddy).

Yamcha's only purpose was to defeat See-Through but Goku could have done that just as easily. Well, and I suppose he did help stop Oozaru Goku's rampage at the end of the Pilaf Saga.

edited 8th Aug '15 9:03:29 PM by Zelenal

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