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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#22301: Aug 6th 2015 at 1:59:06 PM

Gohan just had the shit beat out of him. He was in no condition for a surprise "HEADS UP!" toss.

edited 6th Aug '15 1:59:51 PM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22302: Aug 6th 2015 at 2:18:40 PM

Well, his body had been healed, but mentally, he was still a mess.

Looking back, Gohan didn't need Goku. He just needed to hold out until the fusion ran out.

I mean, he did get absorbed, but that's cause he was paying attention to Goku. If he'd been on his own, I like to think his guard would have been more up.....

....but I admit I might be expecting too much from him.

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#22303: Aug 6th 2015 at 2:21:11 PM

Buu was about to destroy him just before Goku showed up though. Buu knew he was on time limit, Goku showing up just screwed his timing.

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#22304: Aug 6th 2015 at 2:21:38 PM

"Dooooodge!"

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#22305: Aug 6th 2015 at 2:24:58 PM

Watching the Kai version of Vegeto VS Buuhan, that's still my absolute most favorite fight in the series. It's just so good.

Personally, I think we all take Dragon Ball way too seriously. At the end of the day, Dragon Ball is largely a spectacle fighter and I think that it never fails to deliver on that.

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#22306: Aug 6th 2015 at 2:26:48 PM

I would like that fight a lot if I liked Vegetto.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#22307: Aug 6th 2015 at 3:30:58 PM

The only part I really like is when Vegito got turned into a candy.

And then his comeback to Buu about fighting like a man was quite possibly the best comeback in the whole show.

Buu: Will you stop that? Fight like a man!

(Buu has recently slaughtered the human race, turned his opponent into a piece of candy, and said opponent wasn't human to begin with)

Vegito: Do you see a man around?

edited 6th Aug '15 3:31:16 PM by Soble

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#22308: Aug 6th 2015 at 4:48:03 PM

I think you might be taking Vegetto too seriously.

See, he's an Awesome Ego type character. In that he knows that there's nothing in the entire manga that is even remotely a threat to him, so he's not taking it seriously at all, so neither should you.

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#22309: Aug 6th 2015 at 4:58:29 PM

I think you're not taking him seriously enough: the reason Vegetto goofed around was to force Buuhan to absorb him so he could rescue his family inside them.

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#22310: Aug 6th 2015 at 4:58:45 PM

[up][up] That is precisely why I love him. That and he shows more intelligence in combat than probably any other character.

[up] Yes but what you said and what IANCE said are not mutually exclusive.

edited 6th Aug '15 5:00:12 PM by Zelenal

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#22311: Aug 6th 2015 at 4:59:58 PM

And considering who he's made up of, that's fucking impressive.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#22312: Aug 6th 2015 at 5:33:58 PM

He's literally the best parts of Goku & Vegeta with none of their flaw.

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#22313: Aug 6th 2015 at 6:08:38 PM

I also saw Resurrection F yesterday. Of course, I knew everything about it beforehand, even when I was trying NOT to spoil myself.

Either way, it was just really damn fun. A lot of things made no sense, and I visibly cringed when Gohan mentioned "But I can still turn Super Saiyan if I need to! ...I think." But there were things that were just great and almost made up for it, like Jaco, and Bulma, and the whole "wait your turn" joke between Goku and Vegeta.

The whole ring business...yes, it was stupid, but it was a really interesting point they addressed - Goku (at least in this movie) has become so used to being an Invincible Hero that he didn't even worry about letting his guard down. It was surprisingly self-aware, and it's the kind of lesson in humility Goku would need after becoming a god.

I'm just hoping when Super redoes it, they'll remove all the inconsistencies like SSJ Gohan and Shisami because they won't have the same restrictions that a movie has.

Also, why do I get the feeling Toei and Toriyama just default to the Goku/Vegeta rivalry when they've run out of ideas? Because that stuff literally writes itself.

edited 6th Aug '15 6:10:23 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#22314: Aug 6th 2015 at 6:14:43 PM

Figuratively writes itself.

I know DBZ is a pretty self-aware manga, but hopefully not that self-aware. tongue

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#22315: Aug 6th 2015 at 6:18:42 PM

At this point, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it was.

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#22316: Aug 6th 2015 at 6:29:55 PM

Toriyama's actually been dead for years. What we see is just a fascimile drawn and controlled by DBZ so that nobody is prepared for it taking over the earth.

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#22317: Aug 6th 2015 at 10:41:58 PM

Just got back from the movie...it was alright, but that was kind of what I expected. Felt more like one of those 45 minute movies, just with more characterization and a bigger budget.

That said, a lot good highlights as said; Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, and Jaco were kind of the highlights for me. The former two's dynamic never gets old and the latter two just kind of take over the scenes their in.

But yea, there were a lot of stupid inconsistencies that are never really addressed and the resolution is a pretty big Anticlimax and a Deus ex Machina. The movie itself doesn't really pick up until Goku & Vegeta are on the scene and the entire sequence against Frieza's army was a pretty blatant case of Padding. Even the audience was as in it as when I saw Battle of Gods last year.

I liked it, but I consider it just above So OK, It's Average; I didn't like it as much as Battle of Gods and thought it flowed far better with far less inconsistencies, but the action was great to watch and it had a lot of good highlights to take note of.

edited 7th Aug '15 5:41:03 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#22318: Aug 7th 2015 at 1:03:46 AM

He actually says "You don't plan to beat me like that, do you?"

In the dub only. In the original he says "This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own".

He can't beat base Super Boo, and says so himself: if they fight, he will die.

The movie is basically Rule of Cool, so I'm going in there just for the hype and seeing the dialogue. I'll probably like it less than Battle of Gods, but still ultimately enjoy it anyway.
.

I know. But it doesn't manage to be cool, so it just fails.

The whole ring business...yes, it was stupid, but it was a really interesting point they addressed - Goku (at least in this movie) has become so used to being an Invincible Hero that he didn't even worry about letting his guard down. It was surprisingly self-aware, and it's the kind of lesson in humility Goku would need after becoming a god.

It really doesn't make sense to me. Ignoring the many cases of characters letting being caught off guard without so much damage all across the series, it really doesn't seem like Goku to be that pathetic. He even berates the Ginyu Force for leaving themselves open, and he's already fallen for that kind of trick once early in his career (against Piccolo). I can definitely see him becoming overconfident, but standing around so open even a regular laser can nearly kill him? That's just plot convenience at its finest, not really in line with anything else we've seen.

edited 7th Aug '15 1:03:56 AM by Saiga

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#22319: Aug 7th 2015 at 2:50:42 AM

Plus, friendly reminder that you cannot catch Goku off guard because he can feel you coming from several million light years away. The only thing that can sneak up on the Z fighters is an android, because if you're alive, you've got ki, and you can be damn sure that they can feel it.

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#22320: Aug 7th 2015 at 3:19:07 AM

You know, Goku has his flaws, but being overconfident never was one of them. Goku was always had a honest and realistic outlook on his standing in battle.

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#22321: Aug 7th 2015 at 4:57:20 AM

[up][up][up]*shrug* To each their own, I stopped really caring ever since I saw the spoilers. If I thought like you, I would have just saved my money.

[up]Its not so much overconfidence, its just letting his guard down and being vulnerable to sneak attacks. But as [up][up] said, its something that's never really came up before. The whole thing is very much a Compressed Vice for Goku to justify him getting shot.

edited 7th Aug '15 5:18:54 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#22322: Aug 7th 2015 at 5:31:30 AM

I only say I can see it because he was being pretty cocky in Battle of Gods. But yes, Compressed Vice at its finest.

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#22323: Aug 7th 2015 at 5:42:58 AM

I hope Super at least attempts address these problems while having everything good about the film.

One thing I liked tho was 18 saying plainly that she was stronger than Krillin, think that's the first time that has ever come up lol.

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#22324: Aug 7th 2015 at 6:38:06 AM

Things stronger than Goku. That laser ring, and that rock.

Yes, I know what you're about to say about the rock scene, and no I don't care.

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#22325: Aug 7th 2015 at 8:27:35 AM

Personally, I think we all take Dragon Ball way too seriously. At the end of the day, Dragon Ball is largely a spectacle fighter and I think that it never fails to deliver on that.

And when it's not being a spectacle fighter, it's a silly comedy. It's also a silly comedy sometimes even when it's being a spectacle fighter; that's where we get characters like the Ginyus or Mr. Buu.

He's literally the best parts of Goku & Vegeta with none of their flaw.

No, I'd say he's got their combined bad decision-making skills. He gambled the fate of the universe on being able to resist absorption, something he had no reason to believe was even possible, in order to rescue a handful of people who would have been revived when the inevitable wish to restore the Earth's population was made anyway.

As with many things in the Buu arc, going inside Super Buu was completely unnecessary and only served to cause more problems than it solved.

edited 7th Aug '15 8:28:36 AM by TobiasDrake

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