See, the difference between them is mainly that Goku can kill Kid Buu, but he cannot kill Super Buu. And yes, Goku very definitely can kill Kid Buu as SSJ 3, he's just dumb and chose not to when he had the chance, and then lost it when he forgot the massive drawbacks of SSJ 3.
Yes and no. The anime runs with that explanation, but IIRC, in the manga Vegeta accuses Goku of sandbagging to give him a chance and Goku fervently denies it, saying that while it's true that he could slaughter Buu if he could charge up to full power, Buu isn't giving him the time he needs to do that. We're right back in familiar territory: the character with the power needed to destroy the villain can't do it if the villain won't stop punching him. Someone else needs to keep them busy.
So Vegeta steps up to buy Goku time to charge up to his full power so that he'll be strong enough to defeat Buu, but this backfires because Goku didn't account for the massive power drain that Super Saiyan 3 comes with; instead of charging to full, the form drains out all of his power and kicks him back out to Base, rendering Vegeta's stalling tactic pointless.
Indeed. Instead, he showed up and took a nap in the middle of enemy territory. Pure Buu is the essence of unpredictability.
Which brings me to another point. Considering how much time Goku lost when he first went Super Saiyan 3, can we all say for sure that he would have beat Fat Buu before he burned up all his time?
I mean, for all we know, even if he could have won, he would have ended up running out before he could actually finish it, and then everyone would have been fucked.
That's actually my headcanon for why he didn't.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Nah, don't you get it? It's because Goku is an irresponsible stupid manchild who sucks and is stupid.
God, the Buu saga abridged is going to be a nightmare.
My various fanfics.Goku did make a lot of stupid mistakes in the Cell and Buu Sagas. Failing to kill Pure Buu using the power Pure Buu wouldn't let him charge up just isn't one of them.
Mistakenly assuming that he could store up energy in Super Saiyan 3 despite its intense power drain already being well-established might count - the form already screwed over both Goku's time on Earth and Gotenks's fusion. But that's also the kind of thing that could just be obvious in hindsight.
edited 6th Aug '15 7:23:08 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.They don't cause most of the problems, they just don't do a great job of solving them. They have a bad habit of allowing or even helping the villain become more dangerous in order to maximize the potential for an awesome climactic battle.
That last part is only being facetious some of the time. Sometimes it's actually their motivation. This is because Goku and Vegeta are not traditional heroes, dedicated to protecting innocent lives and saving the day. I mean, they do that, certainly, but having a wicked cool fight takes first priority.
This is why Saiyans are not good role models. To be fair, we have known that since the day we learned what a Saiyan is.
edited 6th Aug '15 7:44:10 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I just came back for it. There were two sessions tonight, and I had to go in the second since the first was sold out. The second ended up selling out as well, so it was packed.
I'm pretty surprised by that. I'd like to say I'm happy, but... the movie really doesn't deserve that much attention.
Movie was crap, as expected. Like Battle of Gods its main point was the funny interactions, but there was a lot less of this time around in favor of more action. I know Battle of Gods was criticized for its action, and I'm totally on board with that, but I feel its not because of a shortage of it and because what is there sucks.
Filling the new movie with the same, sucky action isn't going to fix the problem. It just makes the new movie worse as the lackluster fight scenes push out anything interesting.
A friend of mine in America saw the movie before me, and said the Earthling's fight was the best part of the movie. I didn't think much of it - the choreography was fairly bland for most of the scenes, and it was mostly padded with the characters just dodging one mook, hitting another mook, etc repeating far too many times. Once again, the only good things were the funny parts (Roshi frying his cane, Piccolo handing his weights out and making the mooks fall to the ground, Jaco doing anything) except for a brief seen where Gohan speed blitzes some mooks with some cool choreography.
Also, from the fight scene, it's very obvious that Roshi isn't on Kuririn's level despite what that one interviewer remarked. He has the most trouble with the mooks, and is the most beaten up by the end of it.
I can't help but notice that Tenshinhan is just there. He contributes no memorable dialogue, is involved in no humorous scenes, and his actions scenes don't stand out at all. His scenes consist of entirely generic dodging and attacking except for his one Kikoho moment which is nothing new. Why on Earth exclude other characters in favour for him? Everyone else in the fight did something unique.
A lot of people in the theater clearly weren't fully informed, so the audience went pretty wild when Vegeta joined the fight. When he had Freeza cornered, the audience was hype as and calling out "DO IT!". I was just sitting there waiting for what was happening next.
He outright says he could have beaten Fat Boo but wanted the kids to do it, to Vegeta. You might argue that if he HAD tried he would have failed due to SS3 but that has absolutely nothing to do with his decision not to try.
It's true that Goku didn't hold back against Pure Boo, but that doesn't change that he is incredibly irresponsible.
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For Goku and Vegeta it's a deliberate character trait. One I feel was not sufficiently followed through on.
For other characters, that's Toriyama relying on Idiot Plot which he's admitted to doing. I would hope he did it less for other characters, mainly because it distracts from Goku and Vegeta having it as a character trait if the others do it anyway.
edited 6th Aug '15 8:00:00 AM by Saiga
Tien does exactly one cool thing and spends the rest of his screen presence just kind of being present? Story of his life.
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The movie is basically Rule of Cool, so I'm going in there just for the hype and seeing the dialogue. I'll probably like it less than Battle of Gods, but still ultimately enjoy it anyway.
Oh, I fully believe Goku when he says he could have beaten Buu with Super Saiyan 3 before.
I just think that, with his lack of knowledge of the power drain the form has, he doesn't realize he might not have pulled it off in time.
One Strip! One Strip!So, to those of you who have seen the movie, when does Maximum the Hormone's song start to play? How does the sequence compare to the "HERO ~Song of Hope~" sequence?
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Really? You'd think it'd play during the fight with Freeza's goons or, better yet, during Goku's fight with Freeza. This seems like a waste of a good song.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!See, the difference between them is mainly that Goku can kill Kid Buu,
Didn't Goku immediately power down and start bragging that he didn't need to fuse, after Gotenk's fusion ran out?
He didn't seem concerned with Super Buu after that point, until Buu snatched Gohan.
I guess he could've been referring to the fact that Buu was back at a level of power that Gohan could handle, but the scene didn't really imply that.
edited 6th Aug '15 12:55:55 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!At that point, why didn't Goku just tell Gohan to forget about the earring and come wreck Buucolo's shit?
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Yeah, IIRC, Goku didn't say he could handle Super Buu after the Gotenks fusion ran out, but that Gohan would have no trouble with him now so they didn't need to fuse.
But then Gohan got absorbed and shit went right back to being real.
edited 6th Aug '15 1:55:09 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.More importantly, how did Gohan miss the Potara? People complain about a lot of bullshit in a lot of different places but that one tops my list.
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The HTC that Vegeta and Trunks was let in to was for sissies. The one the that Goku and Gohan got was the real one.
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