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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#2201: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:35:45 PM

Yeah, he flat out admitted that he was lying.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2202: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:37:00 PM

[up][up]Probably to give Vegeta a chance to show off his new strength without letting one of the important guys like Zarbon or Dodoria get killed too early.

edit: Super Saiyan 3 is my favorite transformation scene.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:37:15 PM by Kostya

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#2203: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:38:37 PM

[up][up][up] To be the Alien equivalent of Yamcha or Chiaotzu.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2204: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:38:46 PM

[up][up]Well, yeah, I know why he exists in the doylist sense, I meant why does he even exist in the watsonian sense?

[up]Maybe. Maybe each race requires one Yamcha? The Saiyans have Raditz...

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:39:23 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#2205: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:39:52 PM

Because he's a high ranking member of Frieza's army? I don't really know how you could answer that question in that sense. It's not like you're asking about motivations.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2206: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:41:30 PM

I wonder if Pui Pui is the Yamcha of his race.

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CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#2207: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:50:19 PM

I noticed that the movie contradicts GT bullshit logic about base Goku handling Frieza, due to Beers stating that Goku in his base wouldn't defeat Frieza. This means that even with any grinding post Buu arc Goku in base is still not as strong as his initial SSJ. Though we don't know if Beers took into account Kaiouken. I think it is possible for post Buu arc Goku to defeat Frieza with Kaiouken.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:52:38 PM by CaptainKatsura

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2208: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:53:04 PM

Bear in mind that in GT, Goku's been training for much longer than in Battle of the Gods, at least ten years longer than BOTG. At that point he's practically as strong in base form as he was as a SSJ 3 against Buu, most likely. Though, even still, I would think Goku towards the end of Z would be stronger than Frieza anyway even without Kaioken.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:54:14 PM by Anomalocaris20

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CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#2209: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:03:54 PM

GT is bullshit. No way he would make jump from base weaker than Frieza to base as strong as his original SSJ 3 with no new training method at all (unless proven that he did something new, I'm going to dismiss fanwank that he got super uber special new training).

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#2210: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:07:45 PM

That seems like plot-hole, since the movie treats the special with Vegeta's brother as cannon and Goten and Trunk were beating up guys as strong as freeza in base.

CaptainKatsura Decoy from    Poland    Since: Jul, 2011
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#2211: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:17:59 PM

I think Tarble when claimed they were as strong as Frieza he meant his "first form" with power level of 530.000. Even knowledge that he has one transformation more was something known only to his highest ranked henchmen. If Vegeta didn't know about it initially, why would Tarble? As Goku before his transformation into SSJ was 3.000.000 in base it is not too far-fetched that Goten and Trunks could beat up first form Frieza equivalents.

edited 3rd Apr '13 3:18:27 PM by CaptainKatsura

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#2212: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:28:07 PM

If they were only at first form freeza level they'd be absolutely no match for the boys who were quite a bit stronger than Goku on namek.

It's quite possible that Goku has been simply hiding his power level when Bills made that comment.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2213: Apr 3rd 2013 at 3:32:32 PM

530,000 would be absolutely no match for people who are stronger than Android 18 while a Super Saiyan.

On Namek, Goku's power level was anywhere from 3 mil to 8 mil, depending on who you ask. That alone outclasses first form Frieza at least sixfold. And yet even with that much power over Frieza, as a Super Saiyan he was much weaker than the Androids. Yet Goten and Trunks are both more powerful than 18 as Super Saiyans. They would HAVE to be stronger than base form Frieza by a LOT in order for that to be possible.

edited 3rd Apr '13 3:36:08 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2214: Apr 3rd 2013 at 5:10:28 PM

I wonder if the brats are stronger than Kasmicollo. It's bad enough they're stronger than 18 and make a former top tier (or at least high mid tier) fighter into a useless babysitter but I want to hold onto some vague hope that they never surpassed Piccolo at his strongest on their own.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2215: Apr 3rd 2013 at 5:11:22 PM

Well, after Gotenks de-fuses inside Super Buu, Super Buu takes on Piccolo's appearance because now Piccolo is the strongest thing in him.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2216: Apr 3rd 2013 at 5:21:32 PM

...hey that's a good point!

Hooray for Piccolo - the fifth strongest being on Earth.

Rewatching him fight Goku at the 2rrd Tournament, it's amazing how far he grew. He went from an easily enraged jackass to The Smart Guy.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2217: Apr 4th 2013 at 2:58:32 AM

That's not a point at all. The boys are in base form inside Boo, and Boo's appearance is affected by them anyway. We see both Piccolo, Goten & Trunks absorbed Boo just Piccolo absorbed Boo in the manga and pure Piccolo Boo has more of Piccolo's features. It's never said that Piccolo was the strongest in Boo, either.

I think Goten and Trunks were stronger, as Super Saiyans, than Piccolo before their RoSaT training. When they power up to max in front of Goku, Piccolo freaks out.

Also, the point of Cui was to introduce the concept of Saiyans powering up after recovering from near death. That's why he has the exact same battle power as Vegeta.

[up] He's not smart, though.

edited 4th Apr '13 3:00:21 AM by Saiga

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2218: Apr 4th 2013 at 3:26:16 AM

You really just don't like Piccolo, do you?

Why do you say he isn't smart?

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#2219: Apr 4th 2013 at 3:30:49 AM

At leaat he's smarter than Vegeta.

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#2220: Apr 4th 2013 at 3:48:24 AM

[up][up] Because I only call people smart when they do something smart or failing that at least are meant to be smart in-universe.

And I don't dislike Piccolo at all. Just because I don't try to twist things to make him stronger than the boys and just take things how they are doesn't mean I dislike him. There's no evidence for him being stronger, a bit of evidence for the boys being stronger, and so I just go with that.

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#2221: Apr 4th 2013 at 7:37:28 AM

The English dub of the cartoon had some great mood setting music, much better than most dubs of Japanese shows...maybe that is why the thing managed to get so popular?

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2222: Apr 4th 2013 at 11:03:04 AM

Piccolo is not The Smart Guy. He's the Reasonably Less Dumb than the Others Guy.

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#2223: Apr 4th 2013 at 12:40:22 PM

...Isn't that The Smart Guy?

It's not like The Smart Guy is ever actually smart in a silly show for little boys. Bulma is an idiot, Dr. Gero is a bigger idiot, etc.

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qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#2224: Apr 4th 2013 at 12:51:35 PM

Can we please keep any and all idiotic bashing out of discussions. Its hard to take points seriously if one can't at like a mature young adult and discuss things rationally.

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#2225: Apr 4th 2013 at 1:08:26 PM

Intelligence was never a particularly expressed trait of Piccolo Jr though. Instead of the smart guy call him The Stoic and that was only after being defeated in the world tournament.

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