And Gohan was still losing until Vegeta stepped in.
And Gohan was hurt.
And translations.
And even so, assuming that's all legit, Cell being as strong as a SSJ 2 still sounds worse than him being high-end SSJ 1.
Blaaaah. Numbers.
EDIT: They're saying round Super Perfect up to SSJ 2. Unless I've misspoken, I'm saying keep him Super Saiyan 1 point 6 whatever.
edited 3rd Aug '15 12:43:44 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!The beam struggle. Gohan was losing. That's how I remember it, and Vegeta fired the blast at Cell, distracting him, just as Goku told Gohan to ramp up the juice, and then Gohan won.
Did Gohan and Super Perfect Cell exchange a single punch?
edited 3rd Aug '15 12:45:13 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Especially seeing as how that beam struggle was after his power was reduced by half. Super Perfect Cell is only match for Super Saiyan Gohan and was never a threat to Super Saiyan 2 Gohan.
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He's not saying Super Perfect Cell was stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. He's saying he was stronger than Perfect Cell, which is self-evident.
Our criticism is that his gain in strength wasn't enough to actually make much of a difference in the fight. He was still utterly worthless compared to Gohan, and it took an unnecessary second plot contrivance to even give him a chance at winning, immediately after he already got an ambiguously-defined power-up that could have done the job itself.
It's like if, right after Goku became a Super Saiyan, Frieza's Final Form still proved to be too powerful and he effortlessly defeated Goku, but then Frieza also came down with a heart illness that weakened his power so that Super Saiyan Goku could match his strength. Cell's zenkai was a free license to even the playing field in and of itself; why Toriyama felt he needed a second handicap to go with it is beyond me.
edited 3rd Aug '15 12:52:35 PM by TobiasDrake
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Well, he's also saying that he appreciates that Cell came back too weak to stand a chance against Gohan and that Gohan had to be nerfed because he thinks it's a welcome departure from other instances where a character's power-up was sufficient to make a difference in the fight. That's the point of contention being argued.
But as for the, "He was stronger," bits, he seems to be referring to Cell coming back stronger than he was before he self-destructed.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Okay, I have to ask but where was it ever said that Gohan lost half of his power; because you people keep saying that but I don't thin there has been anything that has stated that. Plus, Gohan could have just gotten another rage boost and went even further in power than he did as a Super Saiyan 2.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Gohan was demoralized by the fact that Cell had gotten so much stronger and wasn't trying as hard due to that and the fact he caused Goku to die; once he pushed, Cell died pretty quickly.
So yea, even if it was never explicitly stated he was only at half, he was still subconsciously holding himself back.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Gohan explicitly states it in chapter 416, when Cell is preparing to fire his Super Kamehameha. Goku tells him to fire his back, and Gohan argues that he only has one arm and that his power is less than half of normal.
edited 3rd Aug '15 1:22:38 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It's not the first time combat damage has reduced a character's power.
One might argue that the entire battle against Vegeta hinged on this, as Vegeta ultimately succumbed to a Death of a Thousand Cuts administered by characters far inferior to his power.
edited 3rd Aug '15 1:27:41 PM by TobiasDrake
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That is such a pointless argument that I don't know why you made it. Make sense or not, it doesn't change the fact that Gohan was at about half power during the beam struggle.
...I meant how does losing one arm cut your power in half. Really, if body health is proportional to ki, than Gohan would have had to have half of his body damaged to have his energy cut in half.
edited 3rd Aug '15 2:13:50 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!I mean, if I shoot you in the arm, you're gonna be putting up way less of a fight than when you had both arms.
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Actually, we do know exactly how strong Super Perfect Cell is.
Super Perfect Cell was only able to match Super Saiyan 2 Gohan when SSJ2 Gohan was half strength. Since Super Saiyan 2 gives a 100x power boost, this makes Gohan's strength equivalent to if he only have a 50x power boost which is what Super Saiyan is. Super Perfect Cell is only about as strong as Super Saiyan Gohan.
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