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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22076: Aug 2nd 2015 at 1:41:39 PM

I don't get why we're saying Wine is anywhere near as weak as Western Supreme Kai.

I'm not against the idea, but where is the proof?

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#22077: Aug 2nd 2015 at 1:44:57 PM

Well I wasn't talking about Wine, I was talking about Kaioshin and if any of them could be considered stronger than 18.

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#22079: Aug 2nd 2015 at 1:46:39 PM

WSK was definitely stronger than 18. WSK > ESK > Piccolo > 18.

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#22080: Aug 2nd 2015 at 1:52:33 PM

Of course, if PATROLLER is female, they're the strongest.

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#22081: Aug 2nd 2015 at 2:45:34 PM

Video games into account, Buuby might also be a contender as a first\second generation Majin. She should be about as strong as Evil Buu...though that's hard to gauge because he only fought himself.

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#22083: Aug 2nd 2015 at 4:50:44 PM

It almost fits. They could probably save time and money just recycling that for the English dub.

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#22084: Aug 2nd 2015 at 4:52:51 PM

i've actually always liked the japanese op for gt, myself. there might be some nostalgia involved, since i used to watch it on toonami.

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#22085: Aug 2nd 2015 at 4:59:53 PM

The animation they chose for the sequence is certainly better than the English versions. It makes it look like GT might actually be a good show or something. I prefer the expository theme tune as far as the music itself goes, even if it is not totally accurate to SUPER.

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#22087: Aug 2nd 2015 at 10:12:10 PM

Guys, of course Dragon Ball Super is going to have shitty animation. Dragon Ball Z had shitty animation back in the 90's! And it was still really damn popular!

One Piece can have shitty animation. Sailor Moon Crystal had shitty animation. Precure has shitty animation when the episode isn't important.

And they're big cash cows.

It doesn't matter how popular they are. Toei isn't necessarily going to put out more in the animation budget.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#22088: Aug 2nd 2015 at 10:18:07 PM

also animation quality doesn't necessarily have much to do with budget in the first place. it matters of course, but it's not the sole determining factor.

often it's more about the time constraints and the animators themselves.

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#22089: Aug 2nd 2015 at 10:21:50 PM

[up] That as well.

I was prepared for crap animation, so I'm not disappointed.

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#22090: Aug 3rd 2015 at 2:02:13 AM

I wonder how much Bulma pays Vegeta's secretary. Probably not enough to deal with Vegeta.

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#22091: Aug 3rd 2015 at 4:33:42 AM

Who they hire to do it and how much time they give those people, however, does depend on the budget, so yes, the quality of the animation depends on the budget Toei allots to it.

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#22092: Aug 3rd 2015 at 4:51:21 AM

Actually, Dragon Ball actually had a lot of the best animators in Japan working on it, and many of their episodes are considered ahead of their time in some instances.

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#22093: Aug 3rd 2015 at 5:54:27 AM

Dragon Ball had very inconsistent animation. They had some really good animators and some amazing cuts, but the occasional episode would be done by some very bad animation teams (including the infamous Triangle Crap group).

Oh and there's no confirmation the scan that says the name "Wine" is real - it looks to be taken from the Super Start Guide which had no name on it. Probably a photoshop job.

edited 3rd Aug '15 5:54:38 AM by Saiga

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#22094: Aug 3rd 2015 at 6:32:13 AM

The animation this episode wasn't the best - why were the lines so damn thick? Well, hopefully they are saving for the battle next ep.

Also, King Kai seiyuu just doesn't give a shit. His voice didn't change a bit when King Kai was screaming.

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#22095: Aug 3rd 2015 at 6:58:09 AM

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It's apparently a thing with the animation director on duty for the episode, if what @Yuyucow's observation is anything to go by.

Also Kaioh's VA is more than eighty years old. It's a miracle he's still coming to work every week.

edited 3rd Aug '15 6:58:55 AM by MyssaRei

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#22096: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:06:01 AM

Whenever people mention Dragon Ball and animation quality, I just think of Dr. Gerodinger's Hand.

After Piccolo breaks off Gero's hand, the hand switches back and forth between existing and not existing for the rest of the character's scenes, until 17 kills him and we don't have to see the phantom hand keep flipping.

Here he is shortly after 17 swiped the 17 and 18's shut-off remote, which Gero had previously been holding in the hand that isn't supposed to exist.

So SO true.

Funny, but flawed. Vegeta declared, "Fuck this shit, I'm going training," not long after. He's not that great a contrast.

Still, the point about Goku dumping his family to go pursue his hobbies at the first opportunity stands.

edited 3rd Aug '15 9:14:57 AM by TobiasDrake

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#22097: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:17:17 AM

Old post but I want to respond to it. tongue

When I think about it, Gohan being the one to destroy Cell kind of comes out of left field.

I mean, it's not Trunks who came back from the future to change things and save the world, nor Goku, the guy who's death he came back to prevent, but Gohan the guy who in original timeline outlived the rest of Z warriors by 16 years and didn't accomplish squat against Androids in that time, now save the day against much more powerful foe.

Also, Gohan's involvement in the arc prior to that was pretty small, so it's not like he was getting any special focus that could foreshadow it.

I think a lot of it is people started to give DBZ a revisionist take. That was the birth of the whole "Gohan was the real main character after all." And a lot of the antagonism I see towards the Buu saganote  tends to revolve around Toriyama shooting that idea down.

edited 3rd Aug '15 9:17:55 AM by Lionheart0

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#22098: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:28:56 AM

I have no problem believing that most of the Buu Saga vitriol comes from Gohan fans.

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#22099: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:30:55 AM

i also remember complaints about how goten and trunks being able to go super saiyan so easily didn't feel right when it took goku and gohan a lot to unlock the transformation themselves.

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#22100: Aug 3rd 2015 at 9:35:48 AM

That's because it didn't sit right with a lot of people. Or Vegeta, as the fan-beloved "bargain sale on Super Saiyans" line indicates. Even the characters in-universe thought Goten and Trunks becoming Super Saiyans so easily was bullshit.

Between that, Fusion, and Gotenks mastering Super Saiyan 3, Goten and Trunks got a lot of free power-up hand-outs to catch them up to the other protagonists. Many people are critical of this, but forget the many free power-up hand-outs that came before them and got the protagonists as high as they are now, especially on Planet Namek.

edited 3rd Aug '15 9:37:42 AM by TobiasDrake

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