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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#21976: Jul 30th 2015 at 1:04:09 PM

I think he meant number of times Shenron was summoned, but that still would change the fact that you're correct.

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#21977: Jul 30th 2015 at 1:15:50 PM

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#21979: Jul 30th 2015 at 1:23:27 PM

I'm still waiting for Goku (Hungry), but I expect we'll see it around the same time as Yamcha (Useful).

edited 30th Jul '15 1:23:48 PM by TobiasDrake

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#21980: Jul 30th 2015 at 1:50:21 PM

What about Vegeta (Crying like a bitch)?

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#21981: Jul 30th 2015 at 2:22:50 PM

Incidentally, pointless but fun trivia:

In the Latin dub of Dragon Ball Z, Whis isn't just Goku's master. He's also Goku's son, going by voices. Whis is voiced by Arturo Castañeda, son of Mario Castañeda, also known as the Voice of Goku. You can imagine how hilarious this makes their every interaction.

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#21982: Jul 30th 2015 at 4:12:47 PM

......

That is weird.

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#21983: Jul 30th 2015 at 5:06:29 PM

welp. Dokkan battle team somehow ended up atm being nappa (R), Vegeta (R), radtiz(R), Goku (SR), Videl (R with Z-awaken), and Master Shen (SR)

Videl, Raditz and Nappa hit the hardest atm somehow. Poor vegeta. He's being outclassed by an angry human girl.

update: and it got worse. I just acquired Mr Satan and Z awakened him. Father daughter team is go, master shen is out >_>

edited 30th Jul '15 5:41:22 PM by Midgetsnowman

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#21984: Jul 30th 2015 at 10:27:00 PM

I got SSJ Vegeta (SSR), Mr. Satan (SR), Future Trunks (SR), Piccolo (SR), First Form Frieza (SR) and Android 16 (SR).

Pretty nifty team, but I still need to level 'em up a ton if I want them to fight at their full potential.

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#21985: Jul 31st 2015 at 3:20:08 AM

If Freeza fights at full potential...

I wonder, if Freeza had his potential unlocked, would he be able to beat Beerus? I mean, we know he can't beat Whis, but still, I'd like to see Freeza get his potential unlocked, go up against Beerus and win, only to screw up and lose anyway because he did something incredibly stupid.

Also an excuse to have SSGSS Gogeta happen.

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#21986: Jul 31st 2015 at 5:29:37 AM

How many times would Freeza need to have his potential unlocked in order to beat Beerus?

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#21987: Jul 31st 2015 at 5:33:24 AM

Freeza claims his training did draw out all of dormant power (the original term for potential) so apparently not.

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#21988: Jul 31st 2015 at 7:26:01 AM

Sorry to cut the convo, but, I was reading a couple pages back and just have a question. Why does everyone call Gohan a crybaby? I mean, after the Saiyan saga, the only time he really cried (at least in the manga) was when Cell was torturing his family and friends and he felt ashamed that he couldn't do anything (until Android 16 was killed), and, I mean, for an 11 (or 9) year old kid, crying in that context isn't all too strange. I don't think he ever really cried after that, so, why does everyone call him a crybaby?

Plus, does anyone else see a parallel between Gohan vs Cell and Frieza vs Goku? With the hero and villain seemingly being even until the villain finally puts in effort and trounces the hero. Then the villain does something unforgivable and the hero awakens new power (both of which were Super Saiyan forms) in their rage.

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#21989: Jul 31st 2015 at 7:35:38 AM

People hate Gohan for the same reason they hate Shinji.

STOP WHINING ABOUT THE FACT YOU'VE SEEN GENOCIDE AND START ENJOYING BEATING THINGS UP, YA LITTLE PANSY!

People want Gohan to be his dad, but he isn't Goku, and that is what makes the Cell Games so good. It establishes Gohan as his own type of hero. Gohan can understand things like love and affection, concepts tat elude his psychopathic father.

edited 31st Jul '15 7:37:45 AM by Nikkolas

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#21991: Jul 31st 2015 at 8:18:21 AM

Reading that first one has caused me to realize that Lanipator has permanently replaced Brian Drummond as my mental Vegeta voice.

I read the punchline in the exact same voice as Lani-Vegeta's,

  • BULMA: I thought you said you were wearing protection!
  • VEGETA: I WAS WEARING MY ARMOR!!!

edited 31st Jul '15 8:19:54 AM by TobiasDrake

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#21992: Jul 31st 2015 at 8:47:38 AM

Same here. He's just too good.

It also helps that they're very similar.

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#21993: Jul 31st 2015 at 8:52:38 AM

I liked the dub version (at least the Ocean one) of Vegeta's post shot by Trunks line:

Vegeta: Damn kid! He's stubborn just like his father!

I agree this might have been the moment where Vegeta started really respecting Trunks. He already acknowledged that Trunks was nearly as strong as him (even if he was wrong about that, and only doing it to show Cell how fucked he was), so Trunk actually blasting the hell out of him might have been the tipping point.

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#21994: Jul 31st 2015 at 9:02:46 AM

I was kind of joking when I called Gohan a crybaby. But the point stands. He had power his father could only dream of at his age and had everything lined up perfectly to ensure his success.

Goku didn't have the benefits with Demon King Piccolo or even Freeza that Gohan had with Cell, Goku couldn't see how he could possibly falter. Piccolo, having already trained Gohan for a year only to watch him freeze up when tasked to do what he was trained to do, chewed Goku out for making the same exact mistake. In addition to just being to thick to realize his kid was not the warrior he was, he was also kind of sort of dead and then racing just to get back while Gohan was cowering in front of Nappa and the Saibamen.

I wasn't joking when I said Gohan was an underachiever though. Dumb Jock is such a strong stereotype in media that people tend to forget athleticism and academics go well together. Rigorous exercise helps brain cell divide, something a complex as martial arts would stimulate those cells in addition, especially super natural martial arts where possibilities are virtually endless. Athletes need to rest and recover though, and that off time can be spent reading, doing multiplication tables, dissecting the fish his mother will later cook, ect. He doesn't have to necessarily build power at the rate of someone whose only hobby is training, like Vegeta. If he had simply kept in shape, retained what he already had, it wouldn't even be an issue. He doesn't need to constantly pull new moves out of his ass like Tien or Piccolo, but you'd think someone so smart...so knowledgeable wouldn't be so one dimensional. He's probably not that smart, so much as seems that way because he happens to be a scholar amongst isolated country bumpkins, but he's still the one who is actively thinking when he really doesn't have to since his super powers should cover his every need. He's the one thinking about things that would never even cross the minds of the others. There should be more depth to him as a fighter, more than just having a potentially higher power level than everyone else.

I also gave him credit for being a scholar, especially since he did it in less than ideal circumstances, tutored exclusively by a mother who lacks formal education. If fighting wasn't as central to Dragon Ball it is likely Gohan would still be one of the more relevant characters but fighting is very central to Dragon Ball and has been since Hermit Crane showed up.

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#21995: Jul 31st 2015 at 9:24:46 AM

Look at it this way, me, I have a good build, am a quick learner in most things, and I'm naturally gifted at a lot of sports, hell, I even like playing a lot of sports, if I devoted time to it I'd probably be pretty damn good, good enough to join a team if I wanted, however, I enjoy art far more and would rather work on my art than train for sports, Gohan's probably the same way. He doesn't really like fighting, not nearly as much as he enjoys his academic pursuits, so he simply does what he actually enjoys. You and everyone acts like Gohan's incredibly weak when the only person to really say he was was Vegeta, who's a well-known arrogant jackass. Gohan is still stronger than all the other Z-Fighters, hell, considering he got Beerus in a hold even for a second might imply he's still stronger than Goku, however, unlike Goku and Vegeta he doesn't train constantly every single day for hours on end, because, ya know, he actually enjoys other things in life.

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#21996: Jul 31st 2015 at 11:42:21 AM

Well, its not so much hes weaker but has kinda fallen into Out of Focus despite his prominence in Z, so its kind of jarring all things considered.

And the in-universe reason is basically how you summed it up "Fuck Gohan, how dare he want not want to be the strongest there was".

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#21997: Jul 31st 2015 at 12:56:59 PM

And then his research made KI control public knowledge and understood science.

Leading to a human PATROLLER annihilating Demigra.

Go Gohan.

edited 31st Jul '15 12:57:26 PM by Enlong

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#21998: Jul 31st 2015 at 1:01:00 PM

And he'll still get made fun of for not being as strong as his Dad or Vegeta. sad

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#21999: Jul 31st 2015 at 1:42:54 PM

Other characters get made fun of for far stupider reasons, IMO.

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#22000: Jul 31st 2015 at 2:35:59 PM

Excuse me, but canonically, it was a Majin patroller who murderized Demigra and replaced him as Demon God.

It was DUMPLIN.

Also I am totally going to play Xenoverse 2 with the headcanon that the events of Xenoverse 1 happened with Dumplin as the player character.

And while I too hear every line spoken by Vegeta in English with Lanipator's voice, I do have to admit that I still prefer Rene Garcia. If only because he's got the balls to do a Bond-villain chairspin and going "Kakarotto, eres un insecto!" (Kakarrot, you're an insect!) in front of a camera. Not many people can pull that off without looking ridiculous.

edited 31st Jul '15 2:37:57 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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