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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2176: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:48:34 PM

Oh, and Cell Games Gohan was stronger than base Perfect Cell (as evidenced by him thinking Cell must have been holding back because his ki was so weak). He just didn't fight back.

edited 1st Apr '13 6:49:09 PM by Saiga

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2177: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:49:29 PM

Even as Super Saiyan 1, Gohan was stronger than Perfect Cell?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2178: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:50:14 PM

The one that fought Goku, at least, yeah.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2179: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:51:37 PM

I actually liked Dabura.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2180: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:55:05 PM

Dabura is cool. That's why he should have been stronger. Great voice, great look, some nice hype - he deserved better than what he got.

And way to go Supreme Kai. That whole "his spit turns you to stone" thing might have been useful to bring up earlier.

edited 1st Apr '13 6:58:12 PM by Nikkolas

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2181: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:56:38 PM

I did like his role as a fairly minor villain. And his comparatively less screentime meant he wasn't overexposed. Enough for us to go "Hey, remember Dabura?" "Yeah, he was cool." rather than "Hey, remember Dabura?" "Ugh, as if I could forget.".

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edited 1st Apr '13 6:57:15 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2182: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:29:38 PM

I really wanna rewatch the Cell Saga... 17 and 18 were so awesome.

Saiga mentioned the special earlier but did anyone else here see History of Trunks? I liked it a lot. In fact I liked any time we actually got to see some of Trunks' future. It's interesting to contrast how different main timeline 17 and 18 are compared to Trunks' version.

A guy on another forum theorized that it all has to do with Goku. Goku being alive gave them both a sense of purpose. As Goku died of a disease in Trunks' timeline, they essentially had no reason to even exist. All they could do was distract themselves from how pointless their lives were by destroying the planet.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2183: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:33:49 PM

I think it was actually because of modifications Dr. Gero made.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2184: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:36:30 PM

It could've been that. It also depends on whether you believe the future Androids were weaker of not. If they were, then Gero must have made the modifications he mentioned in the main timeline.

I didn't like the Trunks' special very much.

Saya1 Werefox from Multiverse Since: Oct, 2011
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#2185: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:58:33 PM

Yeah so Dabura was probably stronger then Cell as Goku compared them then said said he was much stronger then they thought.

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#2186: Apr 1st 2013 at 8:09:23 PM

Ha! Dabura that means Dabura's strength is comparable to Vegeta's. You cannot argue!

Anyway, Piccolo did not fight for the same reason Gohan did not fight, Supreme Kai mind-froze them. Like Chiaozu and Guldo(spelling?)

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2187: Apr 1st 2013 at 8:13:50 PM

[up] I don't know what you're trying to say about Vegeta, but you're lying about Kaioshin and Piccolo. Nothing of the sort happened. Piccolo simply states that Kaioshin is far stronger than him and forfeits.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2188: Apr 1st 2013 at 8:40:28 PM

What's your take on the Future Androids being weaker? Some people say it was just because they were fighting at half power against Gohan and thus Trunks' assessment of their power was off.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2189: Apr 1st 2013 at 8:56:06 PM

That's my take as well, because Trunks wasn't there to hear future 17 say he wasn't at full power, and so he wouldn't know.

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#2190: Apr 1st 2013 at 9:01:00 PM

I do not recall him being far weaker, but that he could not understand why he could not bring himself to fight and then Shin was speaking to him telepathically and then he backed off. The next thing Shin does is freeze Gohan so...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2191: Apr 1st 2013 at 9:03:05 PM

He says, in the Japanese manga, "our dimensions are far too different". The adaptations have really fucked up on this line because they don't know what it means.

In Dragon Ball "dimension/realm" basically means combat tier. So Piccolo was saying that Kaioshin is the next tier up from him. It's used in 7 other occasions in the manga, always about strength.

edited 1st Apr '13 9:03:15 PM by Saiga

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2192: Apr 2nd 2013 at 1:54:48 PM

Adult Goku does have his lovable moments, I will admit.

Still, Android 18 is the best. I love what a Deadpan Snarker she was. I can't imagine the new lady was as good as Ms. Mc Coy.

And she can sing too! (just like another Mc voice-actress)

edited 2nd Apr '13 5:20:58 PM by Nikkolas

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2193: Apr 2nd 2013 at 9:11:42 PM

Okay, how about we all discuss the bread and butter of DBZ.

Favorite Powerup Sequence?

I'll do a Top 4:

1. SSJ 2 Gohan at Cell Games

2. Goku's first Super Saiyan transformation

3. Broly's Legendary Super Saiyan transformation in Movie 8

4. Imperfect Cell powering up with thousands of souls.

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#2194: Apr 2nd 2013 at 9:14:51 PM

My favorite power up sequence is Goku turning Super Saiyan 3. Master Roshi's "What's he doing?!" line is just perfect.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2195: Apr 2nd 2013 at 10:03:14 PM

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#2196: Apr 3rd 2013 at 9:01:35 AM

Hmm, if Super Saiyan God goku is red, does this means he's 3 times as powerful as his other forms?

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2197: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:21:51 PM

Nevermind. I goofed.

edited 3rd Apr '13 2:26:37 PM by Nikkolas

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#2198: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:31:19 PM

You mean piccolo being thousands of times stronger?

That's clearly just empty boast.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2199: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:34:19 PM

I mean about Kami saying you can use the Drago N Balls to resurrect him. The Dragon Balls become useless if Kami/Piccolo are dead.

But after I said that, I vaguely recall Kami might have been lying just to motivate Goku to kill Piccolo.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2200: Apr 3rd 2013 at 2:35:44 PM

Why does Cui exist?

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