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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#21876: Jul 29th 2015 at 6:29:02 AM

She also didn't have much of a personality to speak of back then, either. She only appeared once before the 23rd Budoukai where the only thing really noteworthy about her was her helmet beam.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#21877: Jul 29th 2015 at 6:37:22 AM

Chi chi is more reasonable than Goku

  • Puts down flame shield'' come at me.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#21878: Jul 29th 2015 at 6:56:01 AM

*freezes BlackYakuzu*

edited 29th Jul '15 6:56:13 AM by Zelenal

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#21879: Jul 29th 2015 at 6:56:35 AM

Both of Gohan's parents are prone to misunderstanding what Gohan wants to do with his life.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#21881: Jul 29th 2015 at 7:08:57 AM

Well he doesn't seem to hate the fact that he's a scholar now, although he's probably embarrassed by how weak he's gotten as a fighter.

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#21882: Jul 29th 2015 at 7:14:57 AM

Not enough to train, he isn't.

Gohan's old enough now to choose his path in life, and he chose to not be a fighter like his dad. I support that decision, especially if it means that Pan will grow up with a father.

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#21883: Jul 29th 2015 at 7:19:34 AM

And the Freeza one-shots him.

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#21884: Jul 29th 2015 at 7:25:05 AM

Why would anyone try and mess with the Freezas??!

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#21885: Jul 29th 2015 at 7:37:28 AM

Because my cooler's busted and I need to get these drinks cold before the party.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#21886: Jul 29th 2015 at 7:38:38 AM

[up][up][up][up]That doesn't mean a whole lot if he's too weak to protect said daughter.

Like [up][up][up] pointed out.

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OmniGoat from New York, NY Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#21887: Jul 29th 2015 at 7:43:49 AM

Vegeta is a far better man, father, and husband than Goku will ever be, Goku is trash and doesn't deserve to be called a "hero".

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#21888: Jul 29th 2015 at 7:50:52 AM

[up] Actually, I doubt anyone will disagree with you on those second two points and we've gone over countless times how Goku really is bad hero.

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#21889: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:03:45 AM

Insult Backfire, much?

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#21890: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:12:15 AM

That doesn't mean a whole lot if he's too weak to protect said daughter.

Sure, it does. Is Krillin a bad father because he can't take Majin Buu at arm-wrestling? Does every father on the planet Earth need to be able to kick Beerus's ass before they can be considered a good dad? There are billions of people on the planet who couldn't handle Nappa let alone Frieza, and they manage just fine.

Gohan's already more powerful than anything that exists in the universe outside of celestial entities beyond the fabric of mortal space and time; you'd think that would be enough to end the complaints that one day he's going to turn around and his whole family will be dead because he didn't train hard enough.

Not to mention, the last time a cosmic threat endangered the planet, it happened because Gohan was so powerful. If Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta were as strong as Krillin, Babidi could never have revived Majin Buu. Because they were so powerful, he could get the energy to revive Buu, and then Gohan's contribution as the most powerful being in the universe was to increase Buu's power and make the battle against him hopeless.

The day was ultimately saved and Majin Buu defeated despite Gohan's contribution, not because of it.

The next time a celestial threat endangers the world, it will be because he's drawn there seeking a challenge from a half-remembered legend relating to Goku, and it will be dealt with by Goku, and Gohan will contribute nothing of consequence beyond being part of the God ritual.

Gohan's battle power does not matter, either to the cause of raising his daughter or to protecting the Earth. To the former, he doesn't need to be a glorious warrior of destruction, he just needs to be a good dad. To the latter, he doesn't matter anyway. He shone brightly one time when he was 11 years old, and since then, attempting to matter has never helped and only made things worse.

edited 29th Jul '15 8:14:50 AM by TobiasDrake

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#21891: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:12:17 AM

I wouldn't say he's a better man tho; Vegeta is still an asshole, just less of one and he knows he's an asshole and just doesn't care.

Goku is just oblivious due to being the embodiment of a Manchild

[up]But doesn't that kinda destroy the whole "relying on Goku" theme of the series...

edited 29th Jul '15 8:13:33 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#21892: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:15:39 AM

[up][up]I have to agree with that sentiment.

[up]So they're about even, then?

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#21893: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:19:42 AM

Gohan is a worthless crybaby who always screw up whenever he's on front line and who sucks so much his own father gave up on him and decided to make the reincarnation of one of his enemies his successor instead.

Proceed with the civil discussion. tongue

edited 29th Jul '15 8:19:53 AM by Shlugo_the_great

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#21894: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:22:23 AM

Well, Gohan would never matter, because it always will be written that he won't matter.

Toryiama tried to make Gohan Goku's successor, but the Goku fans bitched so much that he decided to bring Goku back as the main hero.

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#21895: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:23:25 AM

[up]That's not true. It's just something that salty Gohan fans like to tell each other.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#21896: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:24:05 AM

Uh huh, sure.

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#21897: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:26:38 AM

Well, I'll leave you to your delusions.

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#21898: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:29:16 AM

He's right, it's not true. Toriyama made the call to bring Goku back into the spotlight because he felt Goku was better suited to be the protagonist than Gohan. He made the effort, it didn't work out so well, so he went back to Goku.

It should also be noted that Gohan won't always need to matter anyway. It's a shonen thing taken for granted that the Earth will always be imperiled by a new villain at a higher point on the sorting algorithm, but it shouldn't be. I mean, at this point, Goku's fighting the most powerful gods of his universe. The Earth will cease to be imperiled as soon as the author stops thinking of bigger villains to imperil it.

Once Dragon Ball Super finishes retelling the movies, Goku and Vegeta are leaving the universe entirely, and the adventure's going with them, not staying here on Earth. From a Watsonian perspective, there's no reason to assume that there will always be a new evil that is stronger than the last because that's silly. From a Doylist perspective, every story ends.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#21899: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:30:13 AM

Hm.

That actually kind of makes sense.

edited 29th Jul '15 8:31:23 AM by BaconManiac5000

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#21900: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:34:58 AM

A big thing to remember about Dragon Ball is that Toriyama writes by the seat of his pants. Very little was planned in advance.

edited 29th Jul '15 8:35:55 AM by TobiasDrake

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