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MikeBreezy92 Storm King Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Noddin' my head like yeah
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#2151: Apr 1st 2013 at 11:15:14 AM

The legend is obv BS lol.

I never did like Goten and Trunks becoming SS so quickly though. It wasn't like Gohan's situation.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2152: Apr 1st 2013 at 12:36:21 PM

Exactly. Firstly, Gohan was always special. He was a monster of potential. Secondly, he was having to fight for his life and the life of those around him since he was 4-years-old. Goku did the same and Vegeta also worked his ass off for it. (almost dying in the process but I think that's anime only)

What did Goten and Trunks do? Wer they not fast enough to get the ice cream truck so they had to turn SSJ? And they're already strong enough to be on par or above 18. So that whole nightmarish future where the remnants of humanity live in fear and all of Earth's mightiest warriors are dead...could be stopped by the littlest morons.

Fucking little squirts. They are the worst hing about the Buu Saga.

Say what you want about the Cell Saga but it had atmosphere. The horror element with first the Androids and then Cell was done expertly.

edited 1st Apr '13 12:44:39 PM by Nikkolas

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#2153: Apr 1st 2013 at 12:47:17 PM

I liked the fanon idea that turning super is easier if your dad did it before you were born.

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#2154: Apr 1st 2013 at 12:56:10 PM

My problem isn't that everyone became a Saiyan, it's that it was so easy for Goten and Trunks. The four Saiyans before that were fine. They either trained really hard to attain it or had it awakened in a bout of unstoppable rage. Goten and Trunks just go "Hey, let me try that. Cool, it worked!"

Goku Jr. is the worst though.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2155: Apr 1st 2013 at 1:10:42 PM

Did they ever say what happened to their tails?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2156: Apr 1st 2013 at 2:00:55 PM

I figured the fact that they were both concieved after Goku and Vegeta had achieved Super Saiyan had some effect. Admittedly that's only fanon as far as I know.

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#2157: Apr 1st 2013 at 3:20:12 PM

Batte of Gods earned 7 million in opening weekend.

edited 1st Apr '13 3:20:27 PM by Spirit

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2158: Apr 1st 2013 at 4:11:54 PM

@Anom But... he isn't just one of a race.tongue His "race" is more of a clan or family going off what we know.

I have no idea why people have a problem with Goten/Trunks turning Super Saiyan so early. They only did so 2-3 years before the age where Gohan did the same thing. Gohan always had amazing potential, sure, but that's due to his hybrid nature... and guess who else are hybrids? They're just a little different in how they work. Goten and Trunks are a new generation of Saiyaman hybrids, born without tails, and unlike Gohan who taps into his dormant power through rage, they have a lot of power on the surface and can master Super Saiyan easily.

It's not even something that the Boo Arc introduced. The manga version of Trunks' flashback shows Trunks as a Super Saiyan as a kid. He's not as young as Trunks from the Boo Arc, but still pretty young and had the form way earlier than what the TV special suggested (he also never unlocked it through rage like in the special).

edited 1st Apr '13 4:12:47 PM by Saiga

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#2159: Apr 1st 2013 at 5:11:27 PM

Was it ever explained why the hybrids were so powerful? I mean, sure, Chichi and her dad are ridiculous for humans, but you'd think a full-blooded Saiyan would be stronger.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2160: Apr 1st 2013 at 5:15:25 PM

[up][up]But that still worries me that Frieza is but the Yamcha of his clan. tongue

[up]Hybrid vigor is a thing, though I doubt there's much real reason here besides just a lucky combination of genetics. I think also there's something about the Saiyan bloodlust being tempered by human empathy to create a more pure-of-heart warrior, or something.

edited 1st Apr '13 5:16:08 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#2161: Apr 1st 2013 at 5:16:28 PM

Given the strict caste system the Saiyans seemed to have they could have had a fair amount of inbreeding and the introduction of new genes made for stronger children.

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#2162: Apr 1st 2013 at 5:17:01 PM

Well, it's just part of their nature. It's not something like they get X trait from humans that makes them better, because that's not how hybrids work.

For instance, Tigers are bigger and stronger than Lions. However, Ligers (Tiger/Lion hybrids) are bigger and stronger than full-blooded Tigers. It's Truth in Television.

[up][up] No, he's not. He's the strongest of his clan.

edited 1st Apr '13 5:17:34 PM by Saiga

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#2163: Apr 1st 2013 at 5:20:02 PM

[up]Unless you count Cooler but he's anime only.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2164: Apr 1st 2013 at 5:20:48 PM

If we're counting EU characters then it'd be Chilled or Cold anyway that are the weakest.

edited 1st Apr '13 5:21:00 PM by Saiga

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2165: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:29:01 PM

Ya know, going back to the Babidi's goons talk, the reason why the Supreme Kai probably gets so little respect and why people mostly seem to think Piccolo was only afraid to fight him out of some vague "divine sense" is because the guy was always whining and afraid.

OH NO! IT'S PUI PUI!

OH NO! IT'S YAKON!

OH NO! IT'S DABURA!

And if Dabura was only fighting SSJ 1 Gohan, that's even sadder.

He just...radiated WEAK.

He did kinda stand up to Fat Buu though, in spite of his pants-wetting terror, so I can respect him a little. It takes more guts to face your fears than to be fearless.

It also helps that he's pretty cute. That's another reason why I said Kibitokai - he's not nearly as attractive anymore.

edited 1st Apr '13 6:31:07 PM by Nikkolas

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2166: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:35:11 PM

The problem was less about the strength of the minions and more about the Saiyans being so casual about everything. He just underestimated them and thought they'd give energy to Majin Boo unless they fought seriously.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2167: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:35:58 PM

Dabura was about as strong as Super Perfect Cell, right?

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#2168: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:38:22 PM

Regular perfect cell, actually.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2169: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:40:45 PM

It all comes down to "was Gohan SSJ 1 or SSJ 2 against Dabura".

Most seem to say it was SSJ 1 so he was more than likely weaker than Perfect Cell even. Well, weaker than Perfect Cell at full power.

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#2170: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:43:24 PM

I can't be the only one found full power really huge Perfect Cell pre Zenkai to be kinda derpy looking, am I?

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2171: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:44:43 PM

Do you mean when he pulled a Trunks and got all muscly? He did look pretty dumb there.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#2172: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:44:46 PM

Yeah, I ask because I was confused about what state Gohan was in. Gohan is weaker there than he was as a kid, right? So Super Saiyan 1 Gohan shouldn't even stand a ghost of a chance against Dabura whether Dabura is close to regular or Super Perfect Cell.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2173: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:46:54 PM

Cell Games SSJ 1 Gohan was still stronger than Goku and Goku gave Cell a decent fight. (albeit Cell wasn't giving it his all)

Adult SSJ 1 Gohan could probably be comparable to a base Perfect Cell.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2174: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:47:05 PM

The form of Cell Dabra was compared to isn't specified either way. But Goku first compares him to Cell and then later says that Dabra is much stronger than they thought.

edited 1st Apr '13 6:47:36 PM by Saiga

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#2175: Apr 1st 2013 at 6:47:17 PM

[up][up] Yeah. He tried to look menacing and ended up looking Goofier then Fat Boo ever was in my opinion.

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