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#21676: Jul 24th 2015 at 8:53:34 AM

WWE? I guess I'd be Naomi Knight. Talented, driven but nonetheless sloppy and lacking in charisma, or press and (presumably)screen time...too bad Jazz isn't still around(can I gender bend for Samoa Joe?). This also explains all those potholes without name spaces. It was you, handsome Rob! Wasn't it?

And you know something, humans not getting Kaioken because it wouldn't close the gap with the Saiyans is really short sighted. Why does it need to close the gap? Think about Marvel comics. Does anyone say it was useless for Spider-man to get armor to stand up to Electro because it did nothing to close the gap between him and The Hulk? Is any number of X-mutants learning to better control their powers or undergoing secondary mutations useless because it does nothing to close the gap between them and Professor X\Magneto?

The humans, Piccolo, Androids, even Majin Buu, none of them really needed to be as powerful as the saiyans, they just needed something to do. They all still live on islands, in cities and such and no matter how 'weak' any dragon ball villain might be, they're all quite capable of destroying those things as long as they're stronger than the Ox King. Anyone stronger than Tao can destroy the moon and anyone stronger than Nappa can destroy the Earth. If the saiyans are not immediately available to deal with any of that, for whatever reason, who does? It's already been shown in Yo, Son Goku And His Friends Return as well as Revival Of F that the mutants who make up Freeza's army are capable of raising their power levels and are in the middle of a galaxy spanning dispute. That alone could be a well of side plots for the weaker characters.

Any Goku\Vegeta\Gotenks threat could easily have minions, Teammates or controllers that someone else could fight. As suggested in this very thread, something as simple as Videl getting a victorious rematch with the man who beat her in the tournament would have gone along way.

edited 25th Jul '15 10:34:56 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

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#21677: Jul 24th 2015 at 8:55:23 AM

The Kaioken would make Piccolo really strong at least.

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#21678: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:00:06 AM

Marvel Comics doesn't have a main character. It's an ensemble narrative.

Dragon Ball is very specifically the story of Goku and his supporting cast. There was a short time where it tried to shift focus and be the story of Gohan, but even that fell by the wayside in favor of more Goku adventures.

As for minions, the fundamental flaw with that is that scenarios where supporting characters fight the minions don't generally have as large a power gap as Dragon Ball. The Super Saiyans are so far ahead of the supporting characters that any minion Krillin is strong enough to fight could be effortlessly exterminated in huge quantities within seconds by a half-assed gesture from Vegeta, Goku, or Gohan.

If, say, Cell were to show up with a dozen Cell Jrs. each as strong as one of the human fighters, Vegeta would blow them all up with a single ki blast and then everyone would dogpile on Cell anyway, with the only people who matter still being the ones who can actually harm Cell.

Now, the solution to that is to keep the dangerous characters busy and have the other action take place where they can't be, but ultimately, that serves very little purpose beyond fanservice; bringing Krillin back into the game for another fight just to let Krillin have a fight doesn't contribute anything to either his character arc or the overarching plot.

Sometimes, a character's story ends because there's nothing left for that character to do. Krillin got his happy ending he always wanted. Tien redeemed himself and surpassed his former idol. Piccolo found redemption and acceptance, and reunited his two halves. Gohan retired happily to become a scholar like he wanted. Etc.

edited 24th Jul '15 9:04:20 AM by TobiasDrake

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#21679: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:15:27 AM

And Yamcha ended up losing everything and going absolutely nowhere.tongue

And I used to defend him.

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#21680: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:32:15 AM

I'd like to be one of the Wyatts, to be honest.

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#21681: Jul 24th 2015 at 9:40:14 AM

I'm the Wade Barrett of this thread. All the talent and credibility in the world but no chance of ever advancing because of the Randah Ortens and the Shenas!

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#21682: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:05:37 AM

I'm the guy that likes Dragon Ball in its various forms and doesn't much care for ego-trips when the character doing them isn't fictional. Fictional ego-trips are great, though. Vegeta is far from my favorite character, but dude is entertaining.

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#21683: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:06:04 AM

That's some bad news.tongue

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#21684: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:12:05 AM

Man, I haven't watched WWE in a few years now so I can't accurately sum up my Dragonball knowledge with a particular WWE superstar. I guess I'd be...The Miz?

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#21685: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:17:06 AM

I am clearly the Ultimate Warrior of the thread.

Clearly.

And not because he's one of the very few wrestling guys I know anything about.

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#21686: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:35:12 AM

You chose a good one.

Be careful giving off your next speech though.

He did die literally a day after his last live appearance.

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#21688: Jul 24th 2015 at 11:25:57 AM

For a second, I thought that was Spiritomb.

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#21689: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:29:16 PM

SO GUESS WHO JUST FOUND OUT MANGA OOLONG IS A HUGE RAPIST.

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#21690: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:44:36 PM

?

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#21691: Jul 24th 2015 at 10:51:15 PM

Remember when Oolong gave Bulma and Goku sleeping pills? Well, in the manga, it turns out that he did this with the express intent of raping Bulma.

WHAT THE FUCK, TORIYAMA.

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#21692: Jul 24th 2015 at 11:08:20 PM

i'm not really surprised to be honest.

there's a lot of creepy stuff in manga that gets played for laughs or just not taken as seriously as it should be, especially when it comes to shounen manga.

edited 24th Jul '15 11:12:04 PM by wehrmacht

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#21693: Jul 25th 2015 at 12:57:37 AM

So, I was just looking at my copy of V-Jump that I got recently (don't ask me why I got it. It's the one with chapter 1 of the DBS manga). And, looking again through the Dragon Ball heroes section, it turns out a card that I thought was SSJ 3 Goku was actually SSJ 3 Future Gohan.

Goddamn it, Heroes. I didn't even realise that was a thing.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#21694: Jul 25th 2015 at 1:33:38 AM

The cool thing is in DBH, Future Gohan fights with only one arm. grin

Now only if they remember to rip it off next time...

edited 25th Jul '15 1:34:14 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#21695: Jul 25th 2015 at 4:01:04 AM

[up][up][up][up]Well yeah, he was a full on villain like right before that who kidnapped girls. Did you think he was a saint?

edited 25th Jul '15 4:01:34 AM by LordofLore

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#21696: Jul 25th 2015 at 4:29:29 AM

Given that he treated said girls like queens, at least in the anime, the surprise is understandable.

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#21697: Jul 25th 2015 at 4:41:37 AM

It's worth mentioning that he 'treated them like queens' because he was such a pushover that he couldn't say no to them. He'd kidnapped them with the intent of them being housewives in traditional Japanese fashion and failed utterly at that.

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#21698: Jul 25th 2015 at 4:45:02 AM

So it wasn't for lack of trying.

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#21699: Jul 25th 2015 at 6:03:52 AM

Yeah. Oolong was always a rapist, he was just an incompetent one. His character weirdly conflates Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain with sexual assault, possibly with some "It's okay because Bulma's a bitch," Patriarchal justification mixed in, because early Dragon Ball in general has an uncomfortable relationship with sexual shenanigans of dubious consent, most of which are at Bulma's expense.

I blame Early-Installment Weirdness mixed with Japan's extremely different social values, especially where sex and relationships are concerned. They're a very Patriarchal culture.

edited 25th Jul '15 6:06:27 AM by TobiasDrake

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#21700: Jul 25th 2015 at 6:32:42 AM

Fun fact: Oolong is two years younger than Goku.


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