Ya know, I have a bone to pick with how people treat the Kaiouken. A lot of people seem to believe that giving humans the Kaiouken would somehow make them more relevant when, really, it wouldn't. At best, they could get a 10x boost in power in bursts like Goku could on Namek and even if you let them go up to 20x boost, it's still absolutely nothing compared to the constant 50x boost the Super Saiyan transformation gives and is even less than the 100x boost Super Saiyan 2 gives and is yet even less to the 400x boost Super Saiyan 3 gives.
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Kaiouken is obsolete unless you already got a high base power and can withstand the strain.
It's useless to the humans, and nobody would get any thing out of it unless they were super powerful androids......
Oh!
Even then, the Saiyans far outclassed the Androids by the end the Cell Saga using only their base Super Saiyan form. Given that Gohan then has Super Saiyan 2 and Vegeta and Goku never stop training, it's still worthless.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!The logical part of me sees exactly what you are talking about.....
Yeah. We've talked about his before, but it still chafes my ass.
It' verily chafes my ass.
And nobody wants to see Handsome Rob with a chafing ass.
It's kinda like....
~Is bricked~
One Strip! One Strip!Every time someone mentions the humans getting a powerup, I cringe a little.
The gap is just too wide to have them be useful alongside the Saiyans without it sounding stupid.
For the Androids, it makes more sense, but I think we've all worked out Toriyama wants 18 to Stay in the Kitchen, and I doubt anyone is going to use 17 after what happened in GT.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Damn straight.
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I fully know this to be true, which makes it worse.
I don't think it will ever sit well with me.
edited 23rd Jul '15 6:06:05 PM by HandsomeRob
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x6 The Kaiouken actually has a better track record than any Super Saiyan transformation. The Super Saiyan transformation was only useful for defeating Freeza and then was rendered completely useless (since Piccolo could have handled 19 and 20 with no problem), Super Saiyan 2 was only useful for defeated Cell, and Super Saiyan 3 was never useful for defeating anyone. Meanwhile, Kaiouken was useful for technically defeating both Vegeta and Ginyu.
edited 23rd Jul '15 6:08:13 PM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Any boost makes sense if the writer wants it to be. "Tenshinhan has learned how to do the Fusion Dance with himself 4 times, increasing his power each time!", "Krillin learned another technique that turns him into a threat to stronger opponents!", "Bulma built a Beerus-buster suit!", and so on.
Just saying, if absorbing Kami into yourself makes you suddenly stronger than the Super Saiyans, and if training for 4 months puts you up to speed with Super Saiyan Gods, then anything works. Heck, Master Roshi didn't even need an explanation, he's just stronger, now.
That one's actually interesting. What would happen if Tenshinhan used the Multiform Technique then preformed the Fusion Dance with himself?
edited 23rd Jul '15 6:13:52 PM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!At least the fusion with Kami was explained beforehand. Back on Namek, Nail was like "If you had reunited with your other half, you could have been stronger than Freeza". Which was still true.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Actually, I'm pretty sure Guru said that.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Re: WWE. I'm clearly the Roman Reigns of this thread: cocky new guy whom constantly gets into scraps with the big guys and hypes himself up as the new badass despite not being here long enough to earn any credit. Oh, also, tons of people hate me because I'm new and awesome.
Re: Kaio-Ken to the humans. They should've gotten it. Training under North Kaio and constantly training on their own is a good enough Hand Wave to have them at Base Saiyan level and Kaio-Ken easily could've put them around Piccolo level.
Nothing appeases a hungry dragon quite like flattery. You will all be spared. For now.
Watching Dragon Ball Super:
- This translation also has Beerus learn that Goku defeated Frieza, not that he killed him, so I don't think this is a plot hole.
- An errant apostrophe has resulted in a vendor stand near Bulma's birthday party selling "Octopus' balls." Congratulations, grammar failing translators, you have ruined a perfectly good Japanese dish.
- Kaio-sama distracting Goku from asking about Beerus by guilting him over his failure to revive him, Bubbles, and anime-exclusive Gregory was really clever.
- Krillin and 18 stuck in a traffic jam until they get fed up, capsule up the car, and fly to the party raises the question of why they were driving in the first place. Why do you guys even own a car?!
- Holy shit, Tien and Chiaotzu are coming to a social event for the FIRST TIME EVER. They must have gotten super bored after so many years training in isolation. Tien got his wish and discovered it kinda sucks? I mean, I know they were there in Battle of Gods, but that was an ensemble appearance with the whole cast, so I don't think much thought went into it.
- Oh my god. Piccolo is in Gohan and Videl's wedding photo with Goku and Goten! He's part of the "welcome to the family" shot! This makes me worlds of happy.
- Goku and Vegeta are both late because they're training, because the two most important men in Bulma's life are basically two halves of the same coin. Poor Bulma.
- Bulma is fed up waiting for Goku and Vegeta and just sets sail without them. This angry gesture would be more meaningful if Vegeta couldn't fly and Goku couldn't teleport.
- Wait a minute. Goku can teleport. Whis claiming to be the fastest person in the entire universe is still wrong, despite how much it makes Burter cry. Whis has transit times, Goku is instant.
- Kaioshin learns to take Beerus seriously by the revelation of Beerus sealing Old Kaioshin in the Z Sword, despite the fact that they were earlier deeply terrified of the prospect of Goku challenging Beerus to a fight because even Goku couldn't win. In what possible way is Beerus > Old Kaioshin more intimidating than Beerus > Goku? I think Kaioshin has forgotten how impotent the Super Saiyans made him feel.
- Speaking of Kaioshin, Old Kaioshin knows to be afraid of Beerus, Kaio-sama also knows to be afraid of Beerus and immediately volunteers to keep Goku out of the fight, but Kaioshin has never heard of Beerus. Kaio-sama is better educated than Kaioshin. East Kaioshin, you continue to be the Yamcha of the heavenly hierarchy. You're like that guy who only keeps his job because nobody else was willing to do it.
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Apostrophe is back with a vengeance. "Next time on Dragon Ball Super! My aim: the Dragon's Balls!" That's not how you make friends, Goku.
edited 23rd Jul '15 6:23:46 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu coming to the party actually makes MORE sense because it's not that long after Majin Buu. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that he showed up to try and save them from Super Buu (even if it didn't really help). Perhaps that experience made him realise he really should hang out with the others more.
Except I still have NO idea when this party takes place and it's still bugging me. They're implying there's a time gap between Episode 2 and 3, but by how long?
edited 23rd Jul '15 6:41:08 PM by LOLypop1224
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Not long at all. Old Kaioshin mentions that Beerus has only been awake for half a day.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.And he's already killed two planets for not giving him good enough food, and not letting him steal their food.
What a dick.
One Strip! One Strip!It's just, in Episode 2, Bulma sees a cruise ship and mentions it would be good for her birthday party. Like she hasn't organised it yet. Do they mean to say she saw that ship, found one to hire, and organised everything in less than a day?
Or are the Beerus and Whis moments set in a completely different timeline from Episode 1 and 2, and they're just trying to confuse me...?
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!

Brock Lesnar.
'Nuff said.
......So if 17 and 18 can get stronger through training, how strong do you think they can get. They were stronger than untrained Super Saiyans before, and 17 was on par with Kami-colo, so does that mean they could be as strong as Cell was when he fought Goku?
I mean, if Mechanical upgrades can boost humans up to such levels, it's a shame the tech was lost.
I suppose it's the closest we'll get to knowing if regular Ki can be combined with whatever power source they have.....or if they can learn Kaiouken.
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