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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#21551: Jul 22nd 2015 at 9:46:05 PM

Some men just want to watch the world boom.

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#21552: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:07:16 PM

Because Kaioshin is an important position that Beerus respects.

Also, though Elder Kai probably was lying through his teeth, it is possible Beerus found some evil fellow not quite as strong as Majin Buu who was afraid of Elder Kai and made him seal Elder Kai in the sword out of a lack of motivation to do it himself.

You know, like how he couldn't bother to destroy Vegeta himself. For that matter, Beerus might not have even ordered Freeza to destroy Vegeta so much as told Freeza something with the assumption Vegeta's destruction would be what resulted from it. Remember his Just Between You and Me secret to Goku about the 12 Universes?

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#21553: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:23:34 PM

Or, again, Beerus could have been weaker than Madjinn Buu at the time, which was millions and millions of years ago. And a perfectly acceptable answer for Beerus fearing Old Kaioshin's powers is that he could've feared Old Kaioshin unlocking the full potential of someone whom Beerus hated.

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:48:18 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#21554: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:35:56 PM

The scene is presented as Old Kai being full of shit though to make himself seem awesome.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
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#21555: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:47:32 PM

[up]Your interpretation. Mine is that he's just stating the facts in a way to make himself look better.

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#21556: Jul 23rd 2015 at 1:52:36 AM

I dislike how they're retconning Beerus into being behind everything. I mean, why would he even tell someone else to blow up a planet? Doesn't fit the M.O. we see from him at all.

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#21557: Jul 23rd 2015 at 1:58:55 AM

First, this. Second, he said why in the movie. Planet Vegeta was really far away and he simply couldn't be assed to go there when he had a perfectly convenient Freeza to do it for him. Beerus not doing something because he's too lazy is in character for him.

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#21558: Jul 23rd 2015 at 3:01:42 AM

I think Super might've erased that detail, he mentions wanting to destroy Vegeta upon waking up.

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#21559: Jul 23rd 2015 at 3:05:11 AM

[up]x4 Considering there's a beat after he said so, I think Toriyama's intention is pretty damn clear. But okay if you wanna make things up like Beerus being weak or hiring someone else to do it. [tup]

edited 23rd Jul '15 3:06:10 AM by Cruherrx

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#21560: Jul 23rd 2015 at 3:22:11 AM

It's entirely possible that, something like 75,000,000 years ago when the Elder Kai was sealed, Beerus really was weaker than Majin Buu and a lot more of a dick than he is now.

However, it's just a possibility.

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#21561: Jul 23rd 2015 at 3:26:00 AM

[up][up]I never said Beerus was weak: how does 'not as strong as Madjinn Buu' count as weak? I'm just saying that, given the huge amount of focus on training, Beerus very well could have trained to the level he is now. I don't think it's a matter of 'getting someone to do it for him', in fact I'm not even sure who you mean by 'him', what I'm saying is that it's very possible that someone who was an enemy of Beerus, wanted their potential unlocked and the Old Kaioshin was willing to oblige. Beerus feared his enemy's full potential and, in turn, the Old Kaioshin's power so he sealed him away. It's not canon, but it is a perfectly logical and reasonable explanation that may, at some point, become canon.

[up]Exactly.

edited 23rd Jul '15 3:26:42 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#21562: Jul 23rd 2015 at 3:28:22 AM

like how he couldn't bother to destroy Vegeta himself

Wait, the planet, the king, or the prince?

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#21563: Jul 23rd 2015 at 3:38:20 AM

[up][up] You're making a lot of assumptions there. It's a lot simpler to assume that Old Kai was just full of shit.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#21564: Jul 23rd 2015 at 3:44:42 AM

This is the guy who, while terrified at the idea of Buu rampaging across the universe, chose to let Gohan sit for an extra 2 hours after giving him the power he needed to put said creature down.

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#21565: Jul 23rd 2015 at 4:07:44 AM

[up][up]Do not fall down the slippery slope of the Hand Wave, lest you forget what it means to theorize.

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#21566: Jul 23rd 2015 at 4:33:42 AM

[up] When presented with two theories that both equally supported through evidence, the simplest one is likely to be the correct one. That is Occam's Razor. Between that and what we know of Old Kai's personality, it's much more likely that he's just full of shit.

Also, Old Kai being full of shit isn't a Hand Wave since it fits his character. There's making Gohan sit for an extra two hours for no reason and there's the beat that happens in the manga after he made the statement in question.

edited 23rd Jul '15 4:35:29 AM by Zelenal

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#21567: Jul 23rd 2015 at 4:59:23 AM

Started playing Dokkan Battle. So far, I'm surprised at the production values.

My first recruit was the SR Tao Pai Pai. SR is the second highest rarity, so that's cool, and since you start with Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu getting Tao Pai Pai off the bat is helpful (he gets the same Crane School link that Ten and Chaozu get).

It made the quests pretty funny, though. The very first quest has you learn Tao Pai Pai has been assassinating people, and Trunks declares we have to find him. Uh.. he's right here. On the team.

I have done two more Summons, with Dragon Stones earned pretty quickly early on, and got the R Android 16 and the SR Zarbon. My team is going to look really weird.

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#21568: Jul 23rd 2015 at 5:35:52 AM

[up][up]Occam's Razor leads to boring answers and Wild Mass Guessing is way more fun. Besides, sometimes the least complicated answer makes for the most uninteresting story. Occam's Razor should only be applied as a last resort for when people's Wild Mass Guessing goes into Epileptic Trees territory, not for harmless, plausible, theories.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#21569: Jul 23rd 2015 at 6:44:31 AM

Also the context of the "Beerus tells Frieza to destroy Vegeta" thing changes between Battle of the Gods and Super — in Battle of the Gods, it's made to sound that Beerus directly ordered Frieza to do so, but in Super (see Whis' comment) it's something he mumbled in his sleep, that Frieza might have used as convenient justification to rid himself of the Saiyans.

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#21570: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:12:39 AM

The simplest answer for the "Who killed Frieza?" plothole is that Whis might not know Future Trunks is a thing that happened. Frieza's killer is some guy who sprang fully-formed into reality, only existed for a few hours and then dropped out of the universe until he existed for a couple weeks and then ceased to exist again.

The version of the story Whis is familiar with might be, "Frieza battled Goku on Planet Namek and got his shit wrecked. Then he pursued Goku to his home planet for a rematch and summarily died."

Alternately, it could be a translation thing. In the version of manga chapter 2 that I read, Whis tells Beerus that Goku defeated Frieza, not that he killed him.

Either way, I love that Beerus reacts like this is a huge achievement, because it is. I like the consistency on that. Frieza was surpassed so long ago that it's easy to forget how big a deal he is. Frieza is barely a drop in the pond compared to Beerus - or to time-travelling bio-androids or god-killing abominations, for that matter - but for naturally-occurring mortal entities, Frieza is impossibly powerful, and the idea that any mortal being could defeat him is pretty unthinkable.

edited 23rd Jul '15 7:14:11 AM by TobiasDrake

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#21571: Jul 23rd 2015 at 10:03:46 AM

Not to mention Buu was long sealed and Cell wasn't even a thing until a couple of years after Freeza's demise, and the only pre-Battle of Gods movie villain who was actually active when Beerus was last awake who rivalled Freeza was, well, Cooler (unfortunately Golden Freeza kinda renders him non-canonical, though it's quite possible that Cooler attained his super form without any real effort in training, but it's safe to assume Cooler isn't canon). Beerus couldn't have possibly known before being informed of Goku's power that there were other non-sealed entities who could rival or surpass Freeza.

edited 23rd Jul '15 10:11:35 AM by Cronosonic

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#21572: Jul 23rd 2015 at 10:32:19 AM

Any idea what timeframe we might see an English dub of DBS?

I hope it doesn't take seven years to start like DBZ's did...

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#21573: Jul 23rd 2015 at 10:50:41 AM

(unfortunately Golden Freeza kinda renders him non-canonical, though it's quite possible that Cooler attained his super form without any real effort in training, but it's safe to assume Cooler isn't canon).

Nitpick: Golden Frieza did no such thing. Cooler rendered himself non-canonical by existing in a movie where Goku has already returned to Earth but hasn't learned to control his Super Saiyan transformation, and in which Piccolo is not helping Goku train Gohan for the Androids but is off doing his own thing instead.

Like most of the movies, there does not actually exist a point in the very tightly-knit timeline of Dragon Ball between Raditz and the Androids in which Cooler's film could have taken place.

edited 23rd Jul '15 10:51:37 AM by TobiasDrake

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#21574: Jul 23rd 2015 at 10:58:45 AM

It's still better than most movies tho. I mean movie 12 would have to happen in the middle of the fight with Super Boo.

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#21575: Jul 23rd 2015 at 11:46:16 AM

True. IIRC, isn't the Bojack film the best slotted due to taking place in the 7-year timeskip between Cell's defeat and Goku's 1-Day Return?

edited 23rd Jul '15 11:46:31 AM by TobiasDrake

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