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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21476: Jul 21st 2015 at 12:25:37 PM

Napa killed everyone.

....well ok, he didn't actually kill anyone with his bare hands, but his Saibamen were responsible for the death of Yamcha, Chiaotzu blew himself up to stop him, and Tien killed himself trying to stop him.

Oh wait. He did directly kill Piccolo (while trying to kill Gohan).

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#21477: Jul 21st 2015 at 12:26:10 PM

He also blew up the cargo plane.

And the cargo was people.

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#21478: Jul 21st 2015 at 12:30:26 PM

Want to find the dragonballs? Murder villagers until one coughs them up.

Lacking a Dragon Radar, there really isn't much anyone can do to find the Dragon Balls. Like the Red Ribbon Army, Frieza was just stabbing blindly and hoping to get lucky because there wasn't really any other options available to him. He just happened to get super lucky that the Namekians revere the Balls and keep them in their villages, as opposed to having them scattered across the planet in impossible to find locations like Earth's usually are.

Want to deal with intruders? Send your third-best henchmen who's 20-30 times slower and weaker than you.

When your third-best henchman is one of the most powerful beings in the entire universe, there's nothing wrong with that. Dodoria would have had Gohan and Krillin had it not been for his susceptibility to the Taiyoken, his ignorance regarding the humans' ability to do that, and Dodoria's inability to sense energy; flaws that Frieza himself also possesses and demonstrates during his Second Form pursuit of Krillin.

Gohan, Krillin, and Dende weren't a priority. They didn't have a Dragon Ball, nor were they a threat to anyone present on the scene. The only reason they even warranted a response was petty spite, so given their complete irrelevance, sending Dodoria after them may well have been overkill. It was a side quest at best, meriting only as much resources as Frieza could spare while he turned his attention to finding the rest of the Balls.

Want to exact revenge? Waste time beating the crap out of people instead of blowing up the planet.

To die a quick and relatively painless death is a mercy Frieza was not emotionally equipped to provide at that point in time.

Want to stop the Super Saiyan from appearing? Kill 99.9 percent of the Saiyan race and keep 3 as pets, assuming they won't plot revenge.

That one, I'll grant you.

FRIEZA: I'm sorry, but between you and the Namekian, I appear to have lost my touch at genocide.

edited 21st Jul '15 12:33:15 PM by TobiasDrake

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#21479: Jul 21st 2015 at 1:01:01 PM

And it's not like Frieza had a pressing reason to not take his time. No one there was a threat to him until Goku went Super Saiyan and he was fully aware of that the entire time. Any semblance of a chance Piccolo or Goku had before that point was Frieza toying with their hopes. And he didn't even give Vegeata that courtesy after his zenkai.

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#21480: Jul 21st 2015 at 1:12:34 PM

And it's not like he had anywhere else to be.

The Dragon Balls were gone, which meant the race was over, and as the most important person in the hierarchy of his organization, he can clock in whenever he damned well pleases.

These people cost him a LOT. Zarbon and Dodoria were dead. The Ginyus were dead. His grunts on the planet, Cui, Appule, all dead. And it was all for nothing because he didn't get his immortality; Frieza, the most powerful being in the universe, who gets to have whatever he wants whenever he wants it, for whom there is no such thing as a "no," had been permanently, irrevocably denied his goal - possibly for the first time in his entire life.

He didn't just want revenge. Now, he had something to prove. This was especially evident in his completely unnecessary transformation from Third to Final Form, which basically amounted to Frieza going, "So, I have firmly asserted that my Third Form is far beyond any of you. Who wants to see my Final Form, and really get a taste of HOW BADLY YOU HAVE ALL F*CKED UP?"

edited 21st Jul '15 1:17:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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#21481: Jul 21st 2015 at 1:48:21 PM

To say something positive, I find it amusing almost all the Dragon Ball AF rumors have been addressed.

We've got a villain stronger than "mystic" Gohan(except he wasn't really a villain), a Super Saiyan five of sorts (a combination of super saiyan and a new form is close enough), Freeza came back to life with a new form and finally defeated Goku(he didn't do it by himself, but he did it)

What else do we need? A child born as a super saiyan god super saiyan?

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#21482: Jul 21st 2015 at 2:35:20 PM

[up][up] Frieza was kinda upset at the time yea.

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#21483: Jul 21st 2015 at 3:00:41 PM

He was just a tad nettled.

Lacking a Dragon Radar, there really isn't much anyone can do to find the Dragon Balls. Like the Red Ribbon Army[...]

Except the Red Ribbon Army had a Dragon Radar. It wasn't nearly as accurate as Bulma's but it gave them a fair idea of where any given Dragon Ball was. They also actually got Bulma's Dragon Radar after General Blue yoinked it.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21484: Jul 21st 2015 at 3:05:16 PM

I confused as to how you can even create Dragon radars.

The only assumption I can make is that you are lucky enough to have your hands on a dragon ball when it stopped being dormant, and scan any of the radiation it gives off, then create something that can detect that kind of energy.

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#21485: Jul 21st 2015 at 3:07:37 PM

That's presumably how it happened.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#21486: Jul 21st 2015 at 3:22:48 PM

Yep.

The Dragon Balls most likely radiate some sort of energy that can be traced.

Bulma could probably create a 100% accurate gold detector.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#21487: Jul 21st 2015 at 3:58:19 PM

There's no line I can find that says Frieza recalled the Saiyans personally, though he clearly meant to wipe out the whole lot, and most, if not all were on Vegeta - with the exception of Goku, by chance, and Dodoria was sent to mop up Bardock's group. Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz were the only ones off-world. Frieza is very capable of neglecting small details or being totally efficient - only 1 Saiyan child, and 3 other Saiyans actually survived the planet's destruction.

In the 'old canon', there's no hint of a Super Saiyan God, or that Saiyans need be good-hearted or natured in the slightest. Vegeta is quite convinced that "Super Saiyans" are the pinnacle of Saiyan strength.

Look, I'll admit I favor Father of Goku's story to Minus's story, and to make an angry rant shorter, I don't think it "makes so much more sense" so much as "it fills in gaps that didn't need to be filled." And I'll stand by that.

Getting away from that, however: Frieza's efficiency on Namek.

Lacking a Dragon Radar, there really isn't much anyone can do to find the Dragon Balls. Like the Red Ribbon Army, Frieza was just stabbing blindly and hoping to get lucky because there wasn't really any other options available to him.

Like diplomacy.

I'm sure there's a bullet on the Evil Overlord List somewhere that says something like, "If the opportunity to use diplomacy against my enemies presents itself,, I will take it, and not aggravate the situation through excessive violence."

I know, this is a shounen series and villains don't talk through their problems, but then what's Frieza remembered for, anyway? Being genuinely terrifying and being arguably charismatic. Yet his entire approach to obtaining wish-granting balls was to kill people. If he'd tried deceiving them, asking them nicely, coming up with some sh'tty story, he'd have done better. Killing the elders only worked to obtain the balls. Getting the password? Frieza didn't even suspect there was one.

When your third-best henchman is one of the most powerful beings in the entire universe, there's nothing wrong with that.

Maybe I'm just being obtuse from too many discussions on how villainous plots go wrong , but I really think there should be a bullet on the Evil Overlord list that says: "I will chase down and ensure the deaths of all of my enemies, instead of trusting my henchmen to do it. If they sit on their arses and play on Twitter all day, so be it, I will hire new ones with no social lives after victory is assured."

That said,

Gohan, Krillin, and Dende weren't a priority. They didn't have a Dragon Ball, nor were they a threat to anyone present on the scene.

Fair enough.

To die a quick and relatively painless death is a mercy Frieza was not emotionally equipped to provide at that point in time.

Does not resolve situations efficiently. Look at evil space emperors today. Just because their pet goldish dies doesn't mean they cease managing the evil empire.

edited 21st Jul '15 4:04:09 PM by Soble

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#21488: Jul 21st 2015 at 4:34:13 PM

Bulma could probably create a 100% accurate gold detector.

As a prize in the next Bingo tournament.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#21489: Jul 21st 2015 at 4:49:56 PM

Well, since it is a requirement.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21491: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:09:00 PM

I don't want the bingo scene to stop being funny.

We must limit it's exposure.

I ban it for a month, with the punishment for breaking this ban, unending torture.

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#21492: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:10:22 PM

What now?

edited 21st Jul '15 5:10:55 PM by Shlugo_the_great

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21493: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:15:19 PM

You'll get yours Shlugo.

You'll get yours.

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32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#21495: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:18:00 PM

This is nice

Although I do think Goku would want to fight Superman just because he likes fighting strong opponent. But he'd ask first.

edited 21st Jul '15 5:18:14 PM by 32ndfreeze

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#21496: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:41:32 PM

Well that depends. As far as I know he's never asked to spar with 18 or anything. Superman still isn't a martial artist, not even in the loose way it applies to Dragon Ball, so it might not cross his mind.

Then again, that could just be due to his relatively long absences(being dead), tendency to isolate himself for the sake of training and villains ruining every Strongest Under Heaven Tournament after the first two he entered.

None of you have heard of Dragon Ball AF have you?

edited 21st Jul '15 6:59:08 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#21497: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:22:00 PM

Goku most likely wouldn't fight Superman because Superman would not want to fight. Goku doesn't fight people who don't want to fight him.

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#21499: Jul 21st 2015 at 7:43:18 PM

[up][up][up] Why is that in spoiler text?

And he doesn't ask to spar with 18 because he knows that he's way stronger than her. He might as well spar with Yamcha for all the (lack of) good it would do him.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#21500: Jul 21st 2015 at 7:46:54 PM

Does anyone have that link to the "hole in my trunks" comic that was posted a while back?

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