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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21401: Jul 20th 2015 at 3:45:10 AM

So was Raditz high or something? Where'd he get the mission thing from?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#21402: Jul 20th 2015 at 3:46:25 AM

Well, that's just one of Minus' contradictions. You have to fill in the explanation yourself.

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#21403: Jul 20th 2015 at 3:49:11 AM

I always thought Gine lied to Raditz about it. Sort of a way of preventing him from getting offended. She might have told Raditz more if he had come home, but...well...we all know what happened there.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#21404: Jul 20th 2015 at 4:28:09 AM

Maybe Raditz just forgot? It has been quite a long time. And I'm sure he would've kept it secret from Nappa and Vegeta 'cause that'd probably lead to him being teased about having a brother so weak he had to be saved.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21405: Jul 20th 2015 at 4:41:05 AM

I don't think Vegeta has much room to talk on that front.

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#21406: Jul 20th 2015 at 5:20:16 AM

Okay, Gine says that being a rocket baby is dangerous. She is clearly talking about the practice of sending a Saiyan baby to a distant planet to murder everyone there. Bardock doesn't contradict her and say that that's not what they're doing. Bardock mentions that the inhabitants of Earth are weak. How was it not obvious?

edited 20th Jul '15 5:22:00 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#21407: Jul 20th 2015 at 5:43:54 AM

No, he does contradict her by outright saying the purpose is to save him. He wasn't going to send Goku if not for that, which makes what Raditz later says wrong.

Yeah, Goku is being sent as an infiltration baby, but that isn't why he is being sent. That's a pretty big difference.

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#21408: Jul 20th 2015 at 5:47:42 AM

Sometimes, characters are just misinformed. Raditz also thought a meteor blew up his planet. Entirely possible that he read a space e-mail from his parents saying "Kakarott was sent to earth. We'll talk about it when you come back", and Raditz just assumed he went on a mission. Gives room for Raditz to be jealous and bitter about it, too, since he had to wait longer to go on his first mission (also explaining why he was so readily hostile to his baby brother when he finally came to earth).

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edited 20th Jul '15 5:48:38 AM by JonnasN

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#21409: Jul 20th 2015 at 5:52:48 AM

Well sure, you can make your own explanation pretty easily. Needing to provide your own is only the case because of the contradiction, and I'm only pointed it out. It simply is what it is.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#21410: Jul 20th 2015 at 5:54:31 AM

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Small contradictions can at least be explained away by the characters simply being misinformed or misunderstanding what they were told. It happens a whole lot in real life, so why not in fiction as well?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#21411: Jul 20th 2015 at 5:57:50 AM

yeah and that simply doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about, honestly.

I'm not saying the idea can't be reconciled. Just pointed out it needs some reconciliation to begin with because it doesn't provide its own.

The story could have said Raditz was misinformed or made his own assumption. It didn't. Just presented two contradictory ideals.

That's fact, and then it's up to personal opinion how much that matters to someone.

edited 20th Jul '15 5:58:36 AM by Saiga

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#21412: Jul 20th 2015 at 8:48:03 AM

Oh sure, Freeza's destruction of saiyans makes more sense in minus. He's fed up with their legends, fed up with their pride, orders them all into one spot, ect, ect

My entire point was how up until this point Goku was a baby on Earth, not a toddler, left no trace of his armor, got the moon story from his grandpa, was said to have been on a missions to destroy all lifeforms by his brother, ect (and if Bardock really wanted Kakarot to destroy all Earth fauna, he wouldn't have advised against looking at the moon, which would have made that task much easier)

One little contradiction can be easily explained away, like Piccolo's personality changing as a result of being humbled in the tournament and there being a Time Skip. Minus has more than one of those. Yes, there are plenty of other contradictions in Dragon Ball's timeline, like Goku's visit to the moon. But Minus was a story that never had to exist in the first place. Aside from plot holes, the only new thing it introduces is Gine and her character is basically Tarble's, a saiyan ostracized for being a poor fighter.

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#21413: Jul 20th 2015 at 8:59:36 AM

On the Kamehameha I remember Toshiba going on about how Krillin did it wrong the first time because he didn't train to do it. I also rember him being most surprised with Goku performing it perfectly despite little to no training with it. I'd assume most of Yamcha's teaing with it was doing it perfectly and not just being able to at all.

edited 20th Jul '15 9:03:02 AM by LSBK

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#21414: Jul 20th 2015 at 9:42:26 AM

Idle thought: while the retcon that Beerus ordered Frieza to blow up Planet Vegeta is objectionable in and of itself for being a retcon that damages the conflict between Vegeta and Frieza, I was thinking about it and the damage it does to the story is pretty funny in its own way.

Because if Frieza genuinely didn't blow up Planet Vegeta because he was afraid of the Saiyans and their potential, then Vegeta was talking out of his ass for the entire time he was on Namek.

  • DODORIA: Good decision, Lord Frieza. You've destroyed the Saiyans because of their dangerous potential!
  • FRIEZA: What? Oh, yeah, sure, whatever.

  • VEGETA: I have become the legend that you fear!
  • FRIEZA: *thinking* What's this now? The only legend I fear is Captain Ginyu's Taco Tuesday.

  • VEGETA: Frieza destroyed our planet because he was afraid of our potential!
  • FRIEZA: *thinking* What the hell is he on about now?
  • VEGETA: He was afraid of the LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN!
  • FRIEZA: *thinking* I understand the words he's using in isolation, but together, they are gibberish.

  • GOKU: I am a Super Saiyan!!!
  • FRIEZA: *thinking* The f*ck is happening right now?!

While that's not actually how the story went down, the idea that Frieza spent the entirety of Namek being horribly confused by all these motivations being ascribed to him regarding myths he's never even heard of is certainly a hilarious alternate version.

edited 20th Jul '15 9:47:46 AM by TobiasDrake

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#21415: Jul 20th 2015 at 11:59:27 AM

I want to know about this Taco Tuesday.

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#21416: Jul 20th 2015 at 12:00:17 PM

@unnoun Raditz was with Vegeta, so he wasn't there when his parents sent Goku of to Earth or why they did it.

Obviously he came to his own conclusion as to why.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21417: Jul 20th 2015 at 12:00:55 PM

How did they find out Goku was alive?

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#21418: Jul 20th 2015 at 12:06:12 PM

@Indirect Active Transport: We already know that Tarble was never the only kindhearted Saiyan though.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#21419: Jul 20th 2015 at 12:47:26 PM

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Heheh, speaking of Tarble, I suppose they'll make that joke about him too in Super once the requirements for God gets clarified. :P

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#21420: Jul 20th 2015 at 1:16:48 PM

BEERUS: You should go and destroy Planet Vegeta right now.

FRIEZA: What? But, why?! I get a lot of useful cannon fodder from there! Surely I can't be expected to rely only on idiots like these!

DODORIA: Frieza-sama, we're in listening range, you know.

ZARBON: Shut up, at least he's aknowledging our existence.

BEERUS: Well, you should do it because I'm telling you, damn you... but, um, if you think you need an incentive, I'll share a secret with you. Um, let's see... the Saiyans have this, um, incredible potential that will someday make them able to defeat you.

FRIEZA: What?!

BEERUS: Oh, you don't remember your great-great grandfather? He was so totally destroyed by one of those Saiyans who, well...

WILLS: ... became an unstoppable golden-haired juggernaut.

BEERUS: Ah, yeah, right. That. Yep, that totally happened, and it's going to happen to you as well.

FRIEZA: Curses! Zarbon, Dodoria, let's set course for Planet Vegeta! It must be destroyed immediately! (Leaves).

BEERUS: ... what an idiot.

WILLS: It's true, however, Saiyans do have—

BEERUS (yawns): Yeah, yeah, sure, whatever. I feel like taking a nap right now.

edited 20th Jul '15 1:18:31 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#21421: Jul 20th 2015 at 1:24:03 PM

[up]X7 it's funny to think the reason Frieza is so determined to wipe out every saiyan is because he's afraid of what Beerus might have done if he found out he didn't.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21422: Jul 20th 2015 at 2:31:26 PM

...Did Beerus really want Frieza to kill all the Saiyans or just blow up the planet?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#21423: Jul 20th 2015 at 2:38:33 PM

Blow up the planet but it seemed like he assumed that would kill all of the saiyans. And it's a humorous hypothetical we're talking about so it really doesn't matter.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#21424: Jul 20th 2015 at 2:40:58 PM

IIRC, the dialogue in Battle of the Gods showed Beerus had contempt for the Saiyan race rather than the planet itself, due to King Vegeta's feast failing to satisfy him.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21425: Jul 20th 2015 at 2:56:12 PM

Well, yes, but if there were survivors they'd be homeless and they'd know that it'd be their (possibly but not necessarily former) king's fault.

It's not like the Saiyans are a threat to him. He has no reason to wipe them out, just punish them appropriately.

If people survive when Beerus destroys a planet he has no reason to hunt down the survivors.

For starters, that sounds like too much effort.

edited 20th Jul '15 3:00:48 PM by unnoun


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