And how does Minus contradict that? Just because Goku was sent by his parents doesn't mean he wouldn't have been violent and tried to destroy everyone if he hadn't hit his head.
The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!Roshi heard the story from Gohan and the difference between three and 'a baby' is negligible. Toriyama's contradicted much more than that without care, like Goku breathing in space to take the Rabbit Gang to the moon, and only eight months passing between the first and second times Shenlong was summoned.
Wasn't the implication that either Bardock's team was the only one off planet at the time, or Frieza sent his elites to eliminate any off planet Saiyans (barring Vegeta, Nappa, Raditz, Goku, and Tarble, who may have been gone so long he didn't even know about him) like he sent Dodoria to wtfpwned Bardock's team?
At least that's what I'm assuming.
One Strip! One Strip!.....
Trying to remember: did he do that before of after he decided to Kill Em All?
Cause if it was the former, there's your answer.
One Strip! One Strip!I like to think that Freeza intentionally sent the Saiyans consistently into suicide missions, but then it turned out they were surviving and growing stronger for it, and that made him hasten his plans to wipe them out (separate from Beerus' orders to do so).
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariGoku said his Grandpa was the one who told him not to look at the moon, he said nothing about his mother or father. Also, there was no trace of his planet trade armor. And the difference between infant and toddler is not negligible, especially not to someone who actually has to raise one. It was also stated baby saiyans were sent to planets with weak populations and Minus omits the part about Goku's mission being to destroy all lifeforms, which Raddiz berates him for not completing.
Also, Dragon Ball Online, which Toryama was involved in, had baby Goku sans armor if you stumbled through a time leak, so there.
Sure it's canon. I typed that in protest to the idea "It's canon as long as it doesn't contradict anything."
I guess evidence saiyans aren't quite as callous toward the weak as Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta suggested is touching. Problem is, that was already shown to us with Tarble.
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That's irrelevant, clearly they threw it away when Gohan gave him his blue gi.
And Minus making more sense should be obvious. They explained why all the Saiyans were on Vegeta and Bardock and Gine being the ones to send Goku to Earth clears up a huge plot hole from the special.
Nothing in minus stated that Goku remembered his parents, so what's the issue?
edited 20th Jul '15 12:36:28 AM by Cortez
The full OP for Buu Saga Kai.
For the first second or so, I was disappointed that it wasn't Dragon Soul. Then I stopped caring and loved it.
Since a few pages have passed I'm not sure if I should still be continuing this, but I can't help being busy with work!
@IANCE Tenshinhan attributed his copying of the Kamehameha to it being easy to copy. Kuririn was also able to replicate it as soon as he thought to try it. And I know things like Cell or Majin Boo using it are treated like a big deal, but that's where the Informed Ability comes in. The idea that it's hard to copy doesn't gel with so many people using it. It's kind of similar to Piccolo calling Vegeta a genius for allowing 19 to absorb his energy - despite what he says, the idea is fucking stupid.
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Except that the Bardock special showed that teams that had been dispatched were killed by Freeza's men, so they didn't need a super suspicious reason to return to planet Vegeta. On top of that, Minus' reasoning for Raditz and Vegeta's survival contradicts the manga. Hell, Gine and Bardock saving Goku deliberately also contradicts his reason for survival.
edited 20th Jul '15 2:50:48 AM by Saiga
'crack neck' looks like I'll have to correct you again. Piccolo said that Vegeta was a genius for bluffing #20 into running away. That's what happened, whether stupid or not. The Bardock special is non-canon and it makes much more sense to call all the Saiyans back as opposed to sending all your men across the universe to kill all the rest of the Saiyans you didn't kill. It also FAR better explains why there isn't a resistance force of surviving Saiyans who managed to survive Freeza's men and contact each other. Raditz and Vegeta's survival is fine because the story that Freeza let them live could easily have been made up to keep them in line. Burdock and Gine didn't send Goku off-planet to save him; they sent him to kill all the people on Earth and chose to do it then because Burdock was getting a bad feeling about Freeza's order and sent him off just in case. Primary Mission: kill all humans. Reason for being sent: Burdock had a bad feeling.
edited 20th Jul '15 3:07:38 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
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He spoke of both Vegeta bluffing #20 and confirming #19 absorbed energy with his hands.
Confirming it the way he did was stupid, and bluffing #20 was only necessary as a result of this. The display was entirely idiotic.
The same thing happens when Piccolo praises Vegeta's decision to rely on the Genki Dama, which is also really dumb.
And yeah, as said you're not going to correct an opinion.
Everything you said about Bardock is opinion based "it makes more sense this way" etc.
edited 20th Jul '15 3:18:21 AM by Saiga
And yet most of your post was dealing with opinionated topics. Whether or not Minus makes more sense than Bardock: Father of Goku is purely opinion.
EDIT: Murasaki'd.
edited 20th Jul '15 3:18:55 AM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Wasn't Tenshinhan just insulting the technique back then? I do recall him just being all around dismissive of everything about the Turtle School back then.
Either way, I doubt Krillin never tried to copy the Kamehameha before. Hell, we know it's completely impossible to us, and I can assure you every kid who grew up watching Dragon Ball has tried to Kamehameha at least two buildings.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariCan we not do this when it's 3:20 in the morning where I am? Almost nobody else is awake to contribute to the conversation and you two have teamed up on me before.
Oh, also, my point about Burdock not sending Goku to Earth to save him, but instead to kill Earth with the reason for sending him in the first place being that Burdock had a bad feeling about Freeza's order and they sent him just in case things went south. That's a fact.
edited 20th Jul '15 3:29:33 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
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What he says isn't very disrespectful. He just says the technique is at a level where it can be copied in an instant.
Also, Kuririn makes it very clear he's never tried it before, and only thought to because he saw Yamcha and Tenshinhan do it.
It is pretty weird how long it took other characters to try, but that's just how it is.
It seems Yamcha is the only one who actually trained for it, which I'm sure we can all agree is hilarious.
No, it's not. Goku is never mentioned as being sent on a mission to kill the Earthlings. Gine mentions infiltration babies, but Bardock says he's doing it for Goku's safety.
Bardock only gives protecting Goku as a reason for sending him away. Now that is an actual fact.

The only thing Dragon Ball Minus contradicts is the non-canon Bardock special.