If you see stories as a matter of "how can our hero defeat the threat?", then Superman is boring, but most Superman stories are about his moral struggles (there's a reason as to why his arch-nemesis is human).
Also, Superman having galactic strength from a sun is no more ridiculous than Goku's planet-busting abilities being powered by rice bowls
But I agree, DC writers tend to just give Superman immense feats without thinking, or caring, about their scale (a man-made machine measured Superman's strength at something like 200 quintillion tons. Absolutely ridiculous, not only would that strength send the machine flying, or cause a gigantic crater on the ground, it's also not measured in Newtons
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The battle was good, though, even if the ending was a bit depressing.
@Saiga
That's funny, because I seem to recall that, in the series, being able to copy other people's moves after seeing them once was always a show of significant skill, and treated as such with everyone who's capable of doing it.
I don't recall it ever being said that copying ki blasts is easy, anywhere.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariThe problem with western comics is that, aside from single-series comics that are meant to stick to one writer and actually have a conclusive ending, comic books shift writers quite often (there are exceptions, such as Dan Slott's stranglehold over Spider-Man, but again, that's an exception). And then there's books involving teams of heroes. Inevitably, a writer who either doesn't care or doesn't get certain characters end up writing them, and Superman is no different.
Could be worse, though, Silver Age Supes was pulling out powers out of his ass every month.
edited 19th Jul '15 5:07:49 AM by Cronosonic
You must have missed where I said that real life martial arts wasn't what I was talking about, and physical attacks wasn't what I was talking about.
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Tenshinhan mentions that the Kamehameha is easy to copy, and while it's easy to just say he is particularly skilled nobody but Roshi has shown difficulty copying it. If everyone is super skilled than it is just as meaningless as nobody being particularly skilled. Then the Taiyo-ken is stated to be easy to copy by Kuririn, who brushes off Cell using it because of this reason.
Nobody made a big deal when Vegeta and Goku casually busted out Kienzan, or Kuririn and Goku use the Taiyo-ken. Techniques are recycled all over the shop without much attention being drawn to it. The only one that really gets hyped up is the Kamehameha, which is hilarious because that's also the move used by the largest number of characters.
That's sort of my problem too. To me it sounds like, "Goku's power level is x. Superman's power is INFINITY."
That's not... that's not a superpower.
That said, while I'm no physicist, fiction seems to indicate that surviving a black hole is more or less having the power of INFINITY or some ridiculously unquantifiable amount of power.
Vegeta died when Frieza blew up the planet, and Superman breaks planets with ease. I'm perfectly fine with Goku losing, but "Superman's power is MAXIMUM!" is not the kind of answer the fanboy in me wants to hear.
Which is completely irrelevant to their analysis, but I'm still not happy about it.
My takeaway from that Death Battle is Goku's new SSJ form: Super Ultra Combo With Fries Saiyan.
edited 19th Jul '15 6:10:57 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Wait the Goku Superman Rematch is out? I'm on death battles Screw Attack page right now and their most recent video is Doom vs Vader. Is it only up on Youtube or something? I was looking forward to reading the comments section.
What started out as a pleasant afternoon of drugs and surgery has not gone as planned.@Saiga
Every character that copied the Kamehameha quickly and easily is explicitly mentioned to be very good at it. Meaning, Goku, Tenshinhan and Majin Buu. Yamcha copied the Kamehameha on his own, yes, but it's implied that he didn't do it anywhere near as quickly as Goku or Tenshinhan did, that it took him work to do. Krillin took a long time to be able to do his own Kamehameha. Gohan could only do the Kamehameha after training with his father in the time chamber, in which he presumably was taught the move.
The only character who does not have a master's training and copies the Kamehameha on his own without outside help?
It's Goku. Everyone else has training in ki beforehand. Goku saw it once and despite not even being able to use ki for anything else, he was immediately able to figure it out.
I'm sorry to say, Saiga, but while you do have a point in that in most shonen skill is purely an Informed Attribute, in this case, Goku's talent for picking stuff up is not informed, it's continuously demonstrated in the manga, also seen when he manages to learn the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb, two moves that are so ridiculously difficult that their creator couldn't pull them off.
And that's not even getting into him figuring out how to get the most out of the Super Saiyan transformation or creating Super Saiyan 3.
edited 19th Jul '15 6:30:52 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariWhile copying certain techniques is sometimes seen as no big deal (Taio-ken, Kienzan, Kamehameha were fairly easy to replicate), the fact that nobody ever copied the Kaioken, Spirit Bomb, Instant Transmission, four-armed technique, etc. suggests that the "copiers" are just good at understanding how ki manipulation works, but something that falls outside of simply "manipulating your own ki into a beam/disc/flash" is hard to emulate. Even Tenshinhan's flying took work to learn (Krillin was the first to successfully copy it, and others were surprised that he accomplished it)
Either way, this discussion started with Gohan, and he's a guy who never copied or created any technique, everything was taught (In fact, I personally find Gohan's arsenal to be pretty cookie-cutter and uninspired). Even Masenko is likely something Piccolo taught him, judging by the name.
Actually, North Kaio could use the Kaio-Ken, albeit really shittily. When Goku is about to leave, North Kaio says that he has mastered the Kaio-Ken beyond what he himself was capable of. North Kaio not being able to use the Kaio-Ken is an invention of the anime, I think, I don't really care about the anime.
edited 19th Jul '15 7:31:20 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
So I watched Dragon Ball Super ep 3:
They seem to have removed the things about Beerus telling Frieza to blow up Planet Vegeta. They also moved Bulma's party to a boat instead. Also, now that we know that the amount of time you are dead is not a factor in being revived for the earth dragon balls, I kinda see King Kai's point about it being a dick move to not revive him.
One Strip! One Strip!Saying that some techniques were 'fairly easy to replicate' is kind of dumb, though, because, well, it's simply not true. If that were so, loads and loads and loads of people would be able to do them, but there's only a handful of people who can do it in the entire world.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariIn Online, which seems to have been retconned.....
Though it apparently takes place far in the future so who knows.
One Strip! One Strip!Super's third episode... I'm thinking Whis is gay, from the way he blushed when Beerus was in the bath. This is anime ,they're never subtle, when you're turned on, you have a nosebleed or turn plum red, when you're disgusted, you convulse and flee the area.
Whis's reaction was a blush and a "Oh, Lord Beerus".
Is Whis supposed to be male or female, or since he's a god, does it matter? I mean, Beerus is evidently male, and they're voices say as much.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
But see, now I'm curious because the other Whis looks more feminine, and the other Beerus looks similar to his counterpart. Its just one characteristic that's more pronounced.
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The main problem with how Death Battle judges Superman is that they use a handful of OMNI'ahem' sorry omnipotent feats that are really inconsistent and make no logical sense that someone powered by sunlight should be able to do these things. But the main fault falls on the WRITERS at DC! Who somehow think that it is a good idea to have Superman do things that would make him literally omnipotent with no regard for internal consistency. Between this and the live-action films which appear to be a rebirth of the 90sAntihero, I may have to give up on DC all together.