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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#21276: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:31:30 PM

I... wonder...

Did they think the scene was not silly enough as it was? Was the dumb song they put in really necessary?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21278: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:34:45 PM

...One reason I link to things is that I am chronically awful at expressing myself. And that gets me frustrated.

edited 18th Jul '15 7:35:14 PM by unnoun

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#21279: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:35:09 PM

Yeah, perdonen, Kamehameha, despues del tema del Tetris viene el Dragon Ball Rap, quien no haya seguido esta serie es porque no tiene infancia, Big Bang Attack Ataca desde el Planeta Namek~ Vegeta Son Goku, rivalidades Saiyan~

Sorry, sorry, always like an excuse to break into random songs.

Also I do think that the Dragon Ball Rap is proof that you can actually make a decent rap about Dragon Ball, which means that the guys who made the GT song have no excuse.

edited 18th Jul '15 7:35:51 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21280: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:36:06 PM

What the hell is wrong with Bulma?

She designed the damn thing!

Was she messing with him?

edited 18th Jul '15 7:36:52 PM by unnoun

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#21281: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:38:30 PM

[up][up] Kinda like how Share the World proves that a One Piece rap can be done well.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#21282: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:44:09 PM

Or maybe she just has similar taste to Gohan and Goten.

Neeeeeeeeeeeerds

edited 18th Jul '15 7:44:26 PM by Saiga

MsCC93 Since: May, 2012
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#21284: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:54:41 PM

Also if flying off in a rage is a sign of sloppy fighting than Goku is also sloppy, because he does that as well. He just doesn't get a power boost from it.
That doesn't dispute a thing I typed beforehand, not a thing.

Goku did poorly when he let rage get the better of him, as did Nappa, as did Vegeta. It was stated on panel that them flying off in such a manner was a bad thing. Gohan did this far more often, it got him benefits, but only because he got a power boost that had nothing to do with any of his inherent fighting skill or even aptitude for training.

And you know what? Multiple techniques isn't itself a sign of skill. Creating them is. Learning them quickly is. Improving upon them is. Having multiple techniques is not in of itself a sign of skill, but using them to diversify your approaches and fall backs is a sign of good sense.

Vegeta was beat up and should have by the account of his physician been dead if not for his armor. Buu's inability to finish Gohan was his own incompetence but I'll grant that it still serves as evidence of Gohan's own competence. Gohan still displays the least skill in combat of any primary Dragon Ball fighter and not much wisdom in training.

I don't get the stock people have in this particular series of Death Battles. Wizard Magazine had Goku win and I saw that in a solitary thread specifically about Goku vs Superman on a website about who would win scenarios. I've heard of precisely one other Death Battle and never saw it on any forum.

edited 18th Jul '15 7:57:11 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#21285: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:56:45 PM

To go back to why this conversation started, nothing is stopping Gohan from getting a new transformation in Dragonball Heroes outside a lack of interest in using him.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#21286: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:14:09 PM

The whole "Vegeta should have been dead" thing came after being hit by the Spirit Bomb, slashed across the back, and crushed by Gohan's ape form. Sure he was injured before that, but nowhere near the extent he was after any of that.

And flying off the handle has not consistently meant a poorer performance. Goku was extremely angry during the whole Super Saiyan vs Freeza fight and still dominated. It's also got nothing to do with skill - the fact that Gohan gets angry more often is due to the fact that he hates people who hurt others more than anyone else, not that he has less fighting skill.

Learning techniques is as simple as seeing them done, and have been noted as being easy to copy. So in this series, that means jack shit.

edited 18th Jul '15 8:14:30 PM by Saiga

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#21287: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:49:05 PM

My views on canon are actually the exact opposite of Unnoun's, in that, unless stated otherwise, all works of fiction have a solid, strict canon to adhere to.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#21288: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:05:21 PM

My view on canon is I just don't care. Unless they're trying to make something a continuation, it doesn't matter if there are plot holes.

I mean, Dragon Ball itself has gotten everyone's ages wrong on multiple occasions. I just try not to think about it too hard.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#21289: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:41:12 PM

So, Saiga, copying techniques is not in any way shape or form a show of significant skill, huh?

Quick question: Do you do any martial arts whatsoever?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#21290: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:46:48 PM

I do, actually, enough to recognize that Dragon Ball has no resemblance to real martial arts.

being able to copy ki beams and whatnot was said to be really easy, basically anyone can do it (as demonstrated).

alioth Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#21291: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:56:21 PM

in the spirit of Beerus (Angered)
how long do you expect it'll be for Whis (Nettled)?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#21292: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:58:24 PM

By Goku no less. :V

When the hell did Gohan become such a Base Breaker.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#21293: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:59:39 PM

He always was, you just didn't know how much until recently.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#21294: Jul 18th 2015 at 10:13:06 PM

the fact that its simply because he's not Goku is what bothers me the most about it.

Are people really that hung up on Goku being the protagonist forever?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#21295: Jul 18th 2015 at 10:35:14 PM

There are people like that for every single franchise ever...it's nothing new.

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#21296: Jul 18th 2015 at 10:56:22 PM

Saw the new episode of Super. King Kai mentions how upset he that Goku never bothered to wish him back to life with the Dragon Balls. Evidently the other Kais still pick on him about it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#21297: Jul 18th 2015 at 11:13:28 PM

[up][up][up] Well, yeah. Gohan actually was intended to be a protagonist at one point.

It should be super obvious that anyone who liked that would be miffed when it is abruptly changed, even more so Goku is continually taking up the spotlight.

Any sort of change that is quickly backtracked on in favour of serving up more of the status quo is going to upset some fans who were interested in seeing that change play out.

edited 18th Jul '15 11:16:02 PM by Saiga

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#21298: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:19:49 AM

Just watched the Superman vs Goku rematch, I'm not going to talk about the result but instead; let me say something I realized I hate about DC (copypasting my angry comment from Youtube):

I realize that it's probably canon, but Superman having no limits is LITERALLY the STUPIDEST thing I have EVER heard. There is nothing special about Superman aside from him being a Kryptonian (a species of alien which, when on their home planet with a red sun, are only human levels of power) that was exposed to yellow sunlight. Shouldn't ALL Kryptonians EVER become OMNIPOTENT just from the yellow starlight in the sky?! Or do they require a certain amount of sunlight to achieve OMNIPOTENCE. How do Kryptonians get stronger from the light of a blue sun? Do they get MORE OMNIPOTENT?!?!?! How does it make ANY sense that when Kryptonians are exposed to yellow sunlight they become INFINITELY more powerful than the GODDAMN SUNS CHARGING(and they are charged by them; the can run out of sunlight) THEM?!?!?! This is why I assume that all god-tier feats from Superman are from inconsistent (and stupid) writing and write him off as Solar System Buster at most.

My inner (and outer) scientist is screaming and crying at such a blatant disregard for anything even resembling a law of physics applying to an entire alien species that has an explanation for their power (an explanation which is aggressively and inconsistently ignored).

More on-topic, I'm a black belt in Taekwondo and it took me a year to learn how to do a Butterfly Kick from my first time seeing it, so I can attest that copying martial arts techniques is not ridiculously easy and doing it easily counts as a skill.

edited 19th Jul '15 2:20:43 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#21299: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:31:48 AM

My main problem with the Death Battle is mainly that it somehow assumes that Superman's strength is somehow infinitely scalable. That hasn't been a thing since the Silver Age, last I checked - hell, post-Crisis, DC has actively been nerfing Supes many times, especially more recently, and in many post-Crisis interpretations of Superman, there's plenty of villains who actually give him a solid challenge one-on-one, such as Darkseid and Doomsday (the latter of whom actually killed Supes, and that was after thrashing pretty much every other hero on Earth), nevermind other heroes, and neither of these groups are capable of casually blowing up planets.

Granted, the whole thing is kinda moot since Supes wouldn't fight anyone to the death anyway. He doesn't even fight for fun, though I could see him making an exception for Goku once in a while.

edited 19th Jul '15 2:38:51 AM by Cronosonic

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#21300: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:32:33 AM

As far as I remember, all that the Blue Sun allows Superman to do is give other people powers like him.

John Kent beat the shit out of Doomsday thanks to a blue sun.

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