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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#21176: Jul 18th 2015 at 6:53:22 AM

The last time Gohan was powerful enough to be relevant, not only did he not succeed in accomplishing anything, he actually made the situation worse.

The argument is that he should know by now to keep up his training to protect the world and, well, no he shouldn't. If he takes anything away from Buu, it should be to bow out and leave it to the characters who actually enjoy doing this.

edited 18th Jul '15 6:54:43 AM by TobiasDrake

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#21177: Jul 18th 2015 at 6:55:12 AM

And we saw how that worked out for him when Freeza showed up.

A grown man always relying on daddy to save him in a fight is a sad thing to watch.

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#21178: Jul 18th 2015 at 6:58:17 AM

Knowing when to ask for help is a sign of maturity, not weakness.

My dad's a mechanic. I'm a database administrator. There's nobody better qualified to fix my family's PC troubles than me, but I can't code a working carburetor.

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#21179: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:22:14 AM

Gohan would love nothing more than not having to fight because he's not powerful enough to be relevant.

Oh yes, I'm sure he'd love nothing more than to be unable to save his friends when the inevitable next threat comes along and starts killing people. I'm sure that's exactly what he wants.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#21180: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:28:26 AM

[up][up]I wouldn't consider that a sign of maturity if it was possible for you to become a mechanic or learn all his skills but didn't and just choice to wait until the worst possible times for him to help you.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with Gohan not wanting to be like Goku and not always training, but that's not what we're talking about.

Edit: Single word changed for clarification.

edited 18th Jul '15 7:51:22 AM by LSBK

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#21181: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:35:19 AM

[up](x3) Funny, I'm going to school for that as well.

-last page-(my RL knowledge sucks, I once stabbed myself in the face trying to cook steak)

That sounds like an amusing story. I mean, I've smashed my chin into a wall while playing tug of war with a sibling, I've managed to cut my finger on an envelope (and I used to think only morons managed to cut themselves with paper), and I have cut myself while cutting vegetables and eating seafood, but, cutting one's face in that manner is a new one.

Did the knife somehow rebound off the counter?

[up]At least up until the Cell or Buu sagas, Gohan was, what, 6-12 years old? He didn't have any reason to assume the Earth would be attacked repeatedly. Even as a teenager attending high school, they went a good 4-6 years beforehand without any major alien attacks or genocides, that we know of.

And coincidentally, nothing happened until the exact day Goku came back.

edited 18th Jul '15 7:51:24 AM by Soble

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21182: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:42:30 AM

Buu was kinda Goku's fault.

He could have just gone Super Saiyan 3 while Vegeta wasn't looking and knocked him out.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#21183: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:45:16 AM

[up][up][up]You're so hilariously off base it's actually kind of sad.

What, so because his dad's a fighter, Gohan has to become a fighter?

I'm the first to call him dumb for not training at all, considering that he would actually need breaks to clear his mind from all the studying and exercise happens to be great for that, plus there's the fact that he let himself become weaker than Vegeta who is still evil at this point, and you never know when he might snap, become a villain again, murder a bunch of people and cause the end of the world as we know it.

However... you're saying that Gohan should be a fighter because Goku's a fighter and fuck his personal preferences? That's really bad, dood.

Realizing that something is just not your thing is a sign of maturity. Keeping at it even though you repeatedly fail and have no interest in it isn't determination, it's called being a stubborn idiot.

edited 18th Jul '15 7:46:51 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#21184: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:47:17 AM

[up]Um, that's not what I said, at all. What I said is that choosing to let his strength falter in times of peace and then just trying to get it back up at the worst time or just letting Goku do it is not mature. He doesn't have to be training like Goku for that and I understand why he doesn't want to.

Maybe try reading what people actually post next time.

edited 18th Jul '15 7:49:49 AM by LSBK

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#21185: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:52:07 AM

I wouldn't consider that a sign of maturity if it was possible for you to become a mechanic or learn all his skills but didn't and just choice to wait until the worst possible times for him to help you.

"If it was possible for you to become a mechanic", implying that because he has power, he should train it. Implying that because his father is a fighter, he should become a fighter as well.

Furthermore, the second part is completely invented why you. When did Gohan ever wait for the worst possible times to call for someone to help?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#21186: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:53:57 AM

[up]That might have been a bad analogy. But the point stands that Gohan has no reason to believe that there will never be another threat and seeing as he hates being useless and is usually one of the few possibly able to do things about it he might want to keep on top of things. Just ignoring it and assuming it'll never happen again or dad might just take care of it is irresponsible. The second part is predicated on the first part. Not doing anything until the situation is horrible is waiting until the worst possible time.

I still don't understand this false dichotomy some of you created that Gohan either has to devote his life to fighting and nothing else or he can do other things and never train again.

edited 18th Jul '15 7:56:18 AM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21187: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:57:24 AM

Can Goku file his tax returns?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#21188: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:02:21 AM

[up](x6) Buu was almost entirely Goku's fault.

edited 18th Jul '15 8:09:19 AM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21189: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:04:34 AM

I skipped a lot of the conversation, as it got bogged down in stuff but....

Well you see, I'm actually not Beerus, but secretly I've been Handsome Rob from the future the entire time. I reached a point in life where my rage became so strong I gained the power of pyrokenesis. Also, haven't you ever wondered why me and Rob never post at the exact same time?

I should have known I'd become such a monster someday.

Anyway......um.....I got nothing. Carry on.

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#21190: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:07:38 AM

re: Female Super Saiyan. There's already the female player character that can do it.

I'm disturbed by the fact that turning super saiyan and having a vagina is the only thing that matters to some people, as opposed to a character having an actual character, but okay.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21191: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:08:22 AM

...I'm sorry, Dragon Ball Heroes has so much bullshit but only one female Super Saiyan?

A female Super Saiyan it had to make up?

The actual hell?

Also, "some people"?

edited 18th Jul '15 8:09:05 AM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21192: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:08:28 AM

Having a good character would be great.

Lets just hope it happens.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21193: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:09:28 AM

...Does Dragon Ball Heroes even have an actual plot?

Or characters?

Or personality?

Because it seems like "AU power level mix and match bullshit: the card-based arcade game" to me.

I just feel there's a little bit of unfairness in terms of what it decides to pull out of its ass.

Like, yes, I want more female characters with a well done character arc, and I want more female characters to fulfill more diverse roles.

One of those roles can be punching things.

In the game whose sole purpose at this point seems to be showing us alternative and weird characters and situations and powerups that weren't in the actual series? And none of those powerups have been given to a female character?

I mean. Hell, if they did Hell Fighter 18 and Super Android 18? That would at least be something.

edited 18th Jul '15 8:23:13 AM by unnoun

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#21194: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:29:06 AM

HEY GUYS I'M GONNA WRITE MY OWN DRAGONBALL SERIES AND IT'LL HAVE A FEMALE SUPER SAIYAN SO IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE GOOD! PLS READ

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21195: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:32:19 AM

Yes. Make fun of me by misrepresenting me and my position entirely.

That will surely convince me that I am in error.

...Also I already had that idea so nyeh.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#21196: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:09:53 AM

Hah, Gero even showed some favoritism/sexism when he decided to build Hell 17 and not 18.

If you discovered some arcane method to fuse an android with another android you built 20-30 years ago and make them 50-60 times stronger, why not build a second android to fuse with the other android you built all those years ago?

Goku vs two Super Androids, come on, tell me that wouldn't be great. A nod to how outmatched Trunks was in his timeline.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#21197: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:26:44 AM

There's 3 female Super Saiyans, Note, Viola and Forte, and each of them can go up to SSJ3.

By the way, since Super Mira is an out-of-controlled Mira who technically went SSJ, how powerful do y'all think he is?

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#21198: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:37:35 AM

Dunno, man. Whenever I see a new character in Dragonball, my first instinct is "i hope he/she is a good/cool character" and not "i hope it is a he/she."

Still no black saiyans~

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#21199: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:44:05 AM

[up][up]Base Mira is already stronger than Buu, so Super Mira should be likely near god tier.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#21200: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:45:35 AM

In Dragon Ball: Xenoverse, Mira and Towa both believe that base Mira could quickly defeat both Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Majin Buu at the same time, even at a suppressed level of power. However the Future Warrior manages to defeat Mira during their final battle. At this point the Future Warrior was said to be equal to base Super Buu, placing base Mira's full power slightly below Super Buu.

During the Dark Demon Realm Saga Mira attains his own Super Saiyan form, Super Mira, which would multiply his power many times over: either 50x base or 200x base.

edited 18th Jul '15 9:47:27 AM by VeryMelon


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