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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20701: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:04:04 PM

Eh, they all seem pretty good with the way they are. Why change?

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#20702: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:16:12 PM

Well Tien maybe, but the others not so much.

I mean, 18 probably doesn't like living with Roshi.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#20703: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:16:27 PM

Chi-Chis opinions are harmless.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#20704: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:18:12 PM

[up][up] I'm still unsure what possessed the Chestnuts to think raising a toddler in the same house as Roshi and Oolong was a good idea.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#20705: Jul 11th 2015 at 10:23:15 PM

They didn't have a whole lot of options at first i guess.

In fact, wasn't the reason 18 wanted the money from the tournament so she and her family could move out from Kame House?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#20706: Jul 12th 2015 at 1:16:15 AM

Dragonball Super Episode 2.

Oh dear. Goku just pulled something that "looked" heavier than those weights from the Otherworld arc. This is going to start more debate about how much he can actually bench.

edited 12th Jul '15 1:16:34 AM by Soble

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#20707: Jul 12th 2015 at 3:10:13 AM

Guessing Beerus will get to Earth at the start of episode 4. How fast is Vegeta moving during his training there?

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#20708: Jul 12th 2015 at 3:44:20 AM

Vegeta trying to be a family man and hating every minute of it. Yep, that's Vegeta for you. [lol]

Man, Beerus is just a giant dick.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#20709: Jul 12th 2015 at 5:03:08 AM

Chi-Chi is probably the worst character in the series. She's the only member of the main cast whose presence is actually detrimental to the plot.

The joke about "Gohan's studies being more important than the fate of the world" got old fast. Although she does get a bit better in the Buu Saga. At least, it's implied she is. It's not like she does much, but...

I do hope Videl gets to do something in Super, besides being a housewife. She had personality when she was introduced. Removing all her spunk makes her incredibly bland. (and I know this was a conversation like 10 pages ago but I was on holidays so yeah I need to catch up)

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#20710: Jul 12th 2015 at 5:15:04 AM

I hate Chi-Chi and everything about her.

I mean, to give her some credit, I don't think Goku training Gohan what little he could before the Saiyan Saga would have changed much but.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#20711: Jul 12th 2015 at 5:18:31 AM

It's hard to even appreciate Chi-Chi's points (and she does have points) when it's clear Toriyama is going out of his way to make her unlikable. I mean, we get to the point where people like Yajirobe are asking Goku permission to hit her!

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#20712: Jul 12th 2015 at 5:40:43 AM

[up]I already gave a perfectly logical theory as to why Chi-Chi is so much different in Z.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#20713: Jul 12th 2015 at 6:22:58 AM

Chichi hate seems to come from people who just don't get the motivations behind Chichi's actions. They're all very easily explainable and make a lot of sense when you consider that Chichi's protecting Gohan from the world that nearly killed Goku a number of times and has gotten his friends killed before and that she trusts that Goku can handle whatever baddy is menacing them. Of course she would keep Gohan from training to help with the androids - Goku can handle it, like he always does.

And I'm fairly sure that she would not stop Gohan from training if he actually wanted to, and might in fact even HELP train him. But the thing is, Gohan does not actually want to fight, and she is perfectly aware of this fact. Even as a little kid, Gohan wasn't into violence.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#20714: Jul 12th 2015 at 6:56:39 AM

She tried to stop Gohan from going to Namek in order to bring their friends back to life. Not because it would be too dangerous but because of all the school he would miss. Every time Chi-Chi objects to Gohan getting involved, it's because he'd miss school.

It would be fine and understandable if Chi-Chi had those as motivations but she doesn't. Nowhere does it ever even suggest that those are reasons.

There's also the fact that she didn't give two shits about the fact that Goku died trying to save Gohan (yes, he can be brought back to life but even Krillin, who had been revived, was distraught by his death for a bit) and, after the fight with the Saiyans, she didn't give two shits about Goku who she also hadn't seen in a year and was in far worse shape than Gohan. Hell, she even had the audacity to blame Goku for everything that happened to Gohan.

Chi-Chi is simply an unlikable character in every possible way.

Also, Gohan has never had a problem with fighting. After he adjusted, he got into this training with Piccolo just fine. He was perfectly fine with training with Krillin on the way to Namek and had no mental problems in regards to fighting Freeza's goons. He wanted to train with his dad and Piccolo when Future Trunks gave them that warning and made them push him as far as he could go. He actively wanted to fight the Androids. When he trained with Goku in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, he forced Goku to fight him seriously and push him beyond his limits. He had no problem with the idea of fighting Cell, he was just afraid that he'd lose control and destroy the Earth.

Gohan has never had a problem with fighting.

edited 12th Jul '15 7:00:26 AM by Zelenal

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OmniGoat from New York, NY Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#20715: Jul 12th 2015 at 8:26:35 AM

Vegeta was kind of a dick in this episode, I mean, compared to how he was in Bo G and the end of Z.

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Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#20716: Jul 12th 2015 at 9:44:45 AM

Re: Saiyan biology

Adult saiyans' tails don't grow back. Vegeta's an adult, so his tail isn't coming back. Did you see how pissed off he was when Yajirobe cut it off?

It's not reflected sunlight that changes them. Apparently, the moon converts sunlight to Brutz (fruits) Waves, which is absorbed by their retinas, which makes their tails release a hormone that transforms them. It's not something they'll ever be able to control unless they cut their tails off. The power ball is just concentrated brutz waves.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#20717: Jul 12th 2015 at 10:40:52 AM

Oh.

That's a shame. I thought it'd be interesting to see them be able to control when they changed.

Anyway, Caught Super Episode 2.

Beerus is in fact a dick, stealing that dude's fish.

The reasons for the family trip is a nice Call-Back to the Buu Saga (it's easy to forget that this takes place shortly after that), even if Vegeta ended the whole thing by being an ass, and now we're seeing the remaking of Battle of Gods.

Hoping to get through that and Revival of F quickly, so we can get to the new stuff soon.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#20718: Jul 12th 2015 at 2:57:50 PM

Chi-Chi not wanting Gohan to fight because he's worried about it and he thinks he's too young would be fine... if that wasn't completely false.

Trust me, I don't like it either, but Toriyama was clearly trying to portray that Chi-Chi was a selfish, unlikable character who cared more about Gohan becoming a scholar than having the world safe. This isn't hyperbole. It's pretty much stated in all her dialogue pre-Buu. And if something is stated in the manga, it's true.

With Gohan and fighting, I don't think he was opposed to the very idea. He liked training with his dad and Piccolo. He just didn't like hurting others. And he didn't want to actually fight without something to protect.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#20719: Jul 12th 2015 at 4:35:39 PM

I wonder how many people realize Chi-Chi is a Joke Character that should never be taken seriously :\. Between her over the top reactions and, I don't recall if this is filler, her husband comically smacking her through the wall into a rock. Like come on people.

Like the hate for her never made much sense to me; I'd understand if she actively hindered the plot, but she's never taken seriously, by the characters or the narrative, so what the hell....

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#20720: Jul 12th 2015 at 4:35:57 PM

Chi-Chi hate just seems like plain old sexism though. It's really not that hard to understand why a mother would not want their kids to be in such dangerous situations.

It's also not hard to understand why she'd want him to study, go to college and have a good job. It's really not that hard to see her point of view.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#20721: Jul 12th 2015 at 4:39:54 PM

That too, ignoring what I just pointed out; what kind of mother wouldn't have an issue with her son, who's not even 10 years old mind you, hanging out with guys like Piccolo & Vegeta on a near constant basis.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#20722: Jul 12th 2015 at 4:40:05 PM

Chi-Chis opinions are harmless.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#20723: Jul 12th 2015 at 4:40:46 PM

And just like that, I'm taking the emergency exit out of this conversation.

I'll have my time machine on standby, just in case.

But I will leave you guys with the fact that Chi-Chi prioritizes Gohan's studies over the fate of the world.

edited 12th Jul '15 4:41:27 PM by Zelenal

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#20724: Jul 12th 2015 at 4:43:05 PM

And I will tell you that nobody in-universe cares about her opinion, and neither should you :V

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015

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