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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20626: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:35:26 AM

Actually I have something to say on the subject of Yamcha, could we all stop acting as if he's canonically the weakest fighter ever. He definitely has the most shit track record, I'm not going to deny that, but those are different things.

A couple of pages back Zelenal made a point about how Videl probably couldn't even catch up to Yamcha, and I understood the point, but it would have worked better if he had said, Chiaotzu or Roshi. It kind of muddles things to my mind.

It's just something that bugs me. I can take jokes but I don't like them to be mixed up with the reality of the series.

edited 11th Jul '15 11:35:54 AM by LSBK

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#20627: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:36:36 AM

[up][up]Try multiplying 50 with any negative number.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#20628: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:38:51 AM

She might actually be stronger than Roshi though.

At the least, she can fly, and he can't, which would imply better Ki control.

Chiaotzu might be a better comparison, but I think he's ignored cause he's never been seen as strong anyway, so even though he's weaker than Yamcha, he's such a non issue that he avoids any flak.

Plus, he survived for longer in the Saiyan fight.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20629: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:41:12 AM

I'm pretty sure the only reason Roshi can't fly is because he didn't want to learn, not that he couldn't.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20630: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:43:00 AM

She learned how to fly in one day.

That's not nothing.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20631: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:46:02 AM

I didn't say it was nothing just that it doesn't necessarily imply she's stronger than Roshi.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20632: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:52:08 AM

She might be a faster learner though.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#20633: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:52:31 AM

Roshi blew up the Moon. Videl can't sustain flight for that long.

[up] No more so than literally everyone else in the series.

edited 11th Jul '15 11:53:00 AM by Zelenal

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20634: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:53:10 AM

It took Roshi a few hundred years to learn how to do that though.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20635: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:54:45 AM

Plus, apparently blowing up the moon doesn't take that much. More than you're average person but Videl is beyond that already. Did she ever even learn how to use ki attacks?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#20636: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:56:57 AM

Nope, but considering she can fly, she likely could.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#20637: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:56:59 AM

She can't do it...strain, strain, too much strain.

They travel at 2 feet per hour.

edited 11th Jul '15 11:58:31 AM by randomness4

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#20638: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:58:00 AM

Toriyama: You know how weak those womanfolk are.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#20639: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:58:48 AM

[up]x5 Fifty years.

Also, Goku picked up the Kamehameha after seeing it once. Same goes for the Solar Flare and probably flight. He also learned how to read his opponents movements through their breathing in just three days. Krillin and Yamcha could also do the Kamehameha despite Roshi never teaching it to them. They also learned flight without being taught and Krillin also stole the Solar Flare from Tenshinhan. Vegeta, meanwhile, learned how to sense others' ki and hide his own ki after watching the heroes do it (and he actually never saw them sensing ki).

edited 11th Jul '15 12:00:42 PM by Zelenal

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#20640: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:59:29 AM

[up][up]Unless augmented with cybernetic parts, but even then weaker than Piccolo and any guy who can turn their hair blonde.

edited 11th Jul '15 11:59:40 AM by Anomalocaris20

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20641: Jul 11th 2015 at 11:59:45 AM

[up][up]The Vegeta one is the only thing that really annoys me. It makes no sense.

edited 11th Jul '15 12:00:11 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#20642: Jul 11th 2015 at 12:01:57 PM

Huh.

Videl is one of the few characters to learn a technique through actually being taught.

Only Goku with the Spirit Bomb and Kaioken can say that, and he has lots of other stuff that he learned on his own, as pointed out above.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20643: Jul 11th 2015 at 12:02:26 PM

We don't know how long it took Krillin and Yamcha and the others.

We do know that creating the Kamehameha took Roshi 50 years.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#20644: Jul 11th 2015 at 12:02:58 PM

Roshi was able to defeat a hoard of Frieza Soldiers who're supposed to be eons stronger than him, so he must have trained off-screen the whole time.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20645: Jul 11th 2015 at 12:03:58 PM

[up]Meanwhile Piccolo has apparently become weak enough that someone as strong as Zarbon can take him down.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#20646: Jul 11th 2015 at 12:06:14 PM

Since Roshi is immortal, could he theoretically just keep on training and training until he's eventually surpassed Goku and everyone else over millions of years?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#20647: Jul 11th 2015 at 12:09:13 PM

No. He still has an upper limit. He'd reach a point where he can't get any stronger.

In fact, I think he long since has.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#20648: Jul 11th 2015 at 12:10:25 PM

From looking at Tien, I'd say no.

DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
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#20649: Jul 11th 2015 at 2:42:43 PM

Is the upper limit thing actually supposed to be canon anywhere in DB, in spite of the indefinite number of superior trainers being evidence to the contrary? Because there's a difference between "can't catch up to legendary monsters in my limited lifespan without special training" and "nope, achieving a higher power level than X is verboten via the very laws of this reality."

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#20650: Jul 11th 2015 at 2:45:41 PM

He's old.Old people rarely get stronger.They rely on their gains during their youth.

As for copying techniques easily,that makes sense.They're not remaking them from nothing.


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