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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#20476: Jul 7th 2015 at 4:24:22 PM

I know that, but does he power up to get that strong or is he just constantly that strong 24/7?

Like, I'm watching the Buu Saga and Old Kai told him to try to transform into a Super Saiyan, and he got all of his full power, but does he need to do that to get his full power before a fight or was a one-time thing?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#20477: Jul 7th 2015 at 4:35:49 PM

Well, most media afterward pretty much portray it as a transformation so yea.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#20478: Jul 7th 2015 at 4:45:25 PM

Alright, that's what I thought. Thanks.

Also, damn, Super Buu is tall.

Like, he's taller than Piccolo, and Piccolo is over 7 feet tall.

edited 7th Jul '15 4:45:34 PM by BaconManiac5000

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#20479: Jul 7th 2015 at 4:46:33 PM

Cell is also pretty tall, too. In terms of villains it seems you either have to be really tall or really short.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#20480: Jul 7th 2015 at 4:53:16 PM

Huh, you're right.

Like, Vegeta was probably the most normal height one, and even he is a head shorter than Kakarot.

I mean, I suppose 17 and 18 were pretty normal height, but they weren't really villains.

edited 7th Jul '15 4:53:28 PM by BaconManiac5000

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#20481: Jul 7th 2015 at 4:55:09 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: a lot of things in this manga make a lot more sense when you realize Ultimate Gohan was going to be the endgame originally.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20482: Jul 7th 2015 at 5:02:11 PM

What if Kid Buu had managed to absorb Gohan?

Or, like, if they'd only removed the Fat Buu pod first by accident somehow.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#20483: Jul 7th 2015 at 5:43:34 PM

The heights that are supposedly official are way too short, given what their size is compared to the presumably normal humans in the cast.

And I'm talking about humans like 17, 18, Chichi and Bulma. You know, not martial artists whose arms have more muscle weight in them than I have in my entire body.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20484: Jul 7th 2015 at 8:17:02 PM

The prince of all Saiyans. He wishes he could have been a conductor when he grew up. Instead his entire race was wiped out by a tyrant. A tyrant that wasn't him.

Super!

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#20485: Jul 7th 2015 at 10:00:10 PM

Fusions have all of their components' moves plus moves unique to them. This leads me to believe that fusions are not just the sum of their parts.

They aren't one person or two people, but are, in fact, an experience?

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#20486: Jul 7th 2015 at 10:06:47 PM

THAT IS THE FOURTH TIME WE'VE MADE THIS JOKE.

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#20487: Jul 7th 2015 at 10:14:08 PM

And I don't think it will be the last.

Steven Universe has too many DBZ references. Did you guys see the episode where Connie was dressed exactly like Gohan?

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#20488: Jul 7th 2015 at 10:55:38 PM

You know, Vegeta is one of my favorite characters, but it isn't until the Buu Saga that I really started to like him.

Well.... I mean after he decides to fight Buu.

edited 7th Jul '15 10:59:46 PM by BaconManiac5000

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20489: Jul 8th 2015 at 1:43:19 AM

Ultimate Gohan is a one-time transformation. After he does it the first time, his eyes change from partially outlined to fully outlined and his hair is different. This is consistent all the way to the end of the manga, during the part with Oob.

Some other media have portrayed it as a transformation he uses, either with his eyes not being outlined when he's resting or being fully outlined already and his transformation just powers him up. It looks like BoG and Super will have him "transform" with the only difference being his bang coming back.

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#20490: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:18:37 AM

It's possible that he's not transforming but instead just powering up like many other characters did at many points in the series.

Of course, there's still the bang and eye thing but shut up.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#20491: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:59:38 AM

[up][up]I'd like to think that Gohan eventually found out a way to enter a 'rest' state since controlling all of that insane power all the time would get pretty tiresome otherwise.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#20492: Jul 8th 2015 at 4:31:40 AM

The point of the form though is so he doesn't tire himself out, its all of his latent power focused to his most natural and comfortable state.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20493: Jul 8th 2015 at 5:07:49 AM

[up][up] I'm sure he had that from the start, giving the point of the form. I think his situation would be similar to any base Saiyan, where they just freely adjust the power they're using on the fly.

I mean we see in the Boo arc that he's not running at full power all the time (he doesn't use his full power until right before he actually hits Boo) and I think he's effectively just like a base Saiyan - he can modulate his power, but not through transformation.

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#20494: Jul 8th 2015 at 8:36:16 AM

My favorite thing about Vegeta riding the train is that not only is he sitting in the back - a position generally reserved for the wife in traditional gender roles - but he's in the PINK car, further cementing the existence of said gender roles.

Bulma wears the pants in this family, while Vegeta rides Bitch and pouts impotently.

Regarding Ultimate Gohan

If "other media" is referring to the video games, I hasten to point out that the games have learned their lesson on this and have started depicting Ultimate Gohan as a separate character rather than a transformation.

They began doing this around the same time they started weaning off transformations like "Potential Unlocked" or "Fuse with Nail" that were never actually transformations.

edited 8th Jul '15 8:37:25 AM by TobiasDrake

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#20495: Jul 8th 2015 at 8:48:56 AM

I can imagine Vegeta grumbling in the back.

"Mumbmle mubmle... I used to destroy planets... mumble mumble."

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#20496: Jul 8th 2015 at 9:20:38 AM

Xenoverse gives Ultimate Gohan "Potential Unleashed" though.

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#20497: Jul 8th 2015 at 9:25:55 AM

Xenoverse also brought back Potential Unlocked as a transformation, then confused the issue by having the old Kaioshin teach it to the player but making it mechanically identical to the version that Krillin and Gohan get from Guru and not the version Ultimate Gohan has.

edited 8th Jul '15 9:26:42 AM by TobiasDrake

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#20498: Jul 8th 2015 at 10:58:58 AM

Well when I said that, I was more referring to Bo G, Wrath of the Dragon, and now Super as well.

But yea, Gohan probably uses his power like Kaioken and only in short bursts.

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#20499: Jul 8th 2015 at 11:03:48 AM

I might be wrong on this, but I don't think Gohan's ever demonstrated the ability to do that.

Goku flaring up his power in short bursts when and where he needed it was a character-specific thing that highlighted his martial discipline and mastery over his power and set him apart from other characters. By the time he fought Frieza, he was even able to shock Krillin and Gohan when Piccolo had to inform them that he was doing that with the Kaioken - they had assumed he had a chance against Frieza because he hasn't fired up the Kaioken, but Piccolo informed them that he's been using it all this time. It's a Goku thing, frequently commented on by antagonists and protagonists alike.

Gohan tends to go all-out. He gets his power from pure rage and thus fights like a berserker, only restraining himself out of pacifism or sadism when he's achieved a form far beyond what his adversary is capable of. I don't think he's ever demonstrated the intense mental discipline that lets Goku so quickly and effortlessly manipulate his battle power in rapid bursts.

edited 8th Jul '15 11:05:11 AM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20500: Jul 8th 2015 at 12:43:03 PM

Poor Bra.

Poor Gohan.

Poor Bulma.

"WHY WON'T YOU LEAVE ME ALONE"

...Huh.

Anyone know what's up with embedding videos?

edited 8th Jul '15 1:05:11 PM by unnoun


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