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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#19926: Jun 27th 2015 at 2:38:52 AM

[up]Oy, I said that 7 pages ago. tongue

edited 27th Jun '15 2:39:06 AM by Rinsankajugin

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#19927: Jun 27th 2015 at 4:59:05 AM

I know this is the most obvious thing ever said on this page, but Goku's fight with Freeza is WAAAAY too long. I've just been watching Kai (I'm trying to get to Cell, but I decided to watch Freeza start to end this time before I do). And...geez. It starts off great, but Arc Fatigue starts settling in around the part where Goku takes off his top shirt.

In hindsight, Toriyama should have made Goku go Super Saiyan a little sooner. This must have been such a tease for the first-time readers, having chapters where almost nothing happens.

edited 27th Jun '15 5:01:45 AM by LOLypop1224

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#19929: Jun 27th 2015 at 8:56:12 AM

Oh she has a twitter? sweet.

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#19930: Jun 27th 2015 at 9:18:56 AM

Can't wait to never follow her.

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#19932: Jun 27th 2015 at 12:21:18 PM

[up][up]You seem upset

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#19933: Jun 27th 2015 at 6:29:35 PM

Now that you bring it up, do we know that? I mean, the dragon can't effect anyone more powerful that it's creator.....but I'm thinking back to when it tried to bring post Namek Goku back to earth and he said no. I got the impression that the dragon can't forcefully effect someone stronger, but if that person lets Shenron go to work.....

So unless we have Word of God (and depending on what he says, people are willing to ignore him), I'm going to assume that Shenron might be an option.

That Shenron can't manipulate people stronger than him without their consent but can do so if they agree to let him is explicit canon.

So yes, there is no reason to assume Vegetto couldn't be unfused by Shenron provided Vegetto consented to the division.

The dragon would need to ask permission, yes, but I doubt the dragonballs would work for that since Old Kai knew of them but never said they could do that.

He hates the Dragon Balls and doesn't think they should ever be used for anything. That he never volunteered the information, "Hey, you might be able to unfuse if you abuse the primal forces I keep telling you not to abuse," is evidence of nothing. Such a suggestion would contradict his stance on the Balls.

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#19934: Jun 27th 2015 at 6:47:57 PM

I love that Western dialogue.

And that music.

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#19936: Jun 28th 2015 at 8:19:33 AM

[up][up][up]Except given the context of the situation that makes no sense. He was telling the cons of the Potara fusion, knowing that Goku might not do it because the cost is too high AND knowing that effectively means Buu wins and kills everyone including him.

So it makes way more sense to go "you should use the Potara. It's a permafusion, but the dragon can split you up after you beat Buu or whatever."

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#19937: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:56:03 AM

Shenron has never been able to affect someone stronger than his creator without their permission, which leads me to believe Elder Kai probably knew that the resulting being would not want to completely cease existing, and Shenron would be powerless to change that fact.

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#19938: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:08:36 AM

He wouldn't know that a new personality would surface. Despite being fused with a witch, the Kai is the dominant personality, just the same with Kibitokai.

edited 28th Jun '15 11:12:23 AM by Cruherrx

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#19939: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:16:47 AM

It's entirely possible that he knows that the fusion wouldn't work the same way with Goku and Gohan, two beings of similar power, than it did between one of the Supreme Kai and a witch that's very far from his weight class.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
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#19940: Jun 28th 2015 at 11:40:20 AM

Well that's where you start to make too many assumptions. Occam's Razor simply is the dragonballs wouldn't work.

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#19941: Jun 28th 2015 at 12:37:18 PM

And this isn't anything other than "The Dragonballs wouldn't work". What we're discussing is why they wouldn't work. You bring up Occam's Razor as if I was trying to find some other solution.

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#19942: Jun 28th 2015 at 1:01:41 PM

Coolio.

For why they wouldn't work there's the fact that Kai magic should be stronger than regular old Namekian magic, given they're 2 god tiers above ol' Kami.

edited 28th Jun '15 1:02:09 PM by Cruherrx

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#19943: Jun 28th 2015 at 1:31:27 PM

Shenron doesn't have the same limits Kami does, though.

Kami can't bring people back from the dead, after all.

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#19944: Jun 28th 2015 at 2:47:06 PM

When it comes down to it, there's no real evidence that I can see that says whether or not the Dragon Balls (it's two words, by the way, not one) would be able to split a Potara fusion. Maybe they could, maybe they couldn't.

You guys can keep at it, if you want, but you'll continue on forever.

Also, Occam's Razor doesn't work here since both sides are basically equal in terms of (lack of) evidence and assumptions.

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#19945: Jun 28th 2015 at 6:36:27 PM

Isn't Saiga normally the tiebreaker for this kind of thing?

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#19946: Jun 28th 2015 at 9:13:25 PM

Quick, somebody gather the Saiga Balls!

edited 28th Jun '15 9:13:35 PM by TheAirman

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#19948: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:04:50 PM

What, you're too afraid to handle Saiga's balls?

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#19950: Jun 28th 2015 at 10:46:31 PM

So, I finally finished the fight with Freeza. Oh, my god, that padding was awful, even in the Kai version. It's weird, the pace was actually really good until Goku stepped up to fight, and then it all went out the window.

Yes, I said I wanted more of Goku fighting as a Super Saiyan, but I didn't want it if it was boring!

edited 28th Jun '15 10:47:09 PM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!

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