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#19801: Jun 25th 2015 at 4:06:06 PM

It's amazing that Vegeta was introduced in chapter 204. That's almost halfway through the mangas run!

Also two interesting things I noticed why searching for his first appearance:

-King Yemma had to fight Raditz when the letter died. So I guess bad guy do keep their bodies.

-Vegeta is first shown eating some kind of intelligent humanoid being. That's just sick and wrong.

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#19802: Jun 25th 2015 at 4:10:15 PM

Sasuke is ALL OF THE ARCH RIVAL TROPES AT ONCE.

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#19803: Jun 25th 2015 at 4:11:39 PM

King Yemma had to fight Raditz when the letter died. So I guess bad guy do keep their bodies.

Hasn't it been said that Raditz was already a fluffy cloud soul thingy when that happened. The joke was that Yemma stopping him is less impressive when you know that.

Unless it's never been stated what Raditz's physical state was when that happened.

That being said, if he kept his body, that means Nappa, Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, the Ginyu's (not counting their appearance in the Manga), Frieza, 19, 20, Cell, etc all kept theirs, and they would have rofl-stomped Yemma.

Sasuke is ALL OF THE WORST THINGS ABOUT ARCH RIVAL TROPES AT ONCE.

Fixed that for you.

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edited 25th Jun '15 4:12:38 PM by HandsomeRob

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#19804: Jun 25th 2015 at 4:45:58 PM

In order to better follow the current conversation, i've gotta ask, who is Sasuke?

edited 25th Jun '15 4:46:12 PM by Raven666

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#19805: Jun 25th 2015 at 4:51:16 PM

I think it's a portmanteau of "sassy" and the sound a monkey makes.

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#19807: Jun 25th 2015 at 4:59:30 PM

Sasuke is The Rival in Naruto. From what I can tell, no one on these forums like him as a character. I don't have an opinion, because I'm not really into Naruto.

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#19808: Jun 25th 2015 at 5:05:37 PM

Sasuke and his entire family are largely considered to be the biggest Plot Tumor in Naruto. I wouldn't quite go that far but I can't say I think his or the Uchihas' prominence in general served the story well.

edited 25th Jun '15 5:05:55 PM by LSBK

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#19809: Jun 25th 2015 at 5:07:54 PM

Sasuke is an inverted Vegeta.

He starts off as the The Rival and is best friends with the protagonist and then starts becoming more of an asshole and villain as the story progresses with some jumping and forward from dark grey to gray and back to the point that he becomes the final villain in a sense. In the end, he becomes a good guy. Still an asshole though.

He ends up a Karma Houdini, gets a hot wife that he's treated badly for the entire run of the manga and has a daughter with her. Unlike Vegeta, he is an extremely poor parent though and husband as he ;eaves them for years at a time hence his daughter having a complex over him.

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[up] The Uchihas are basically the Saiyans of the Narutoverse except instead of being Blood Knights, they're sensitive asshats with a tendency to go evil.

edited 25th Jun '15 5:09:55 PM by MadSkillz

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#19810: Jun 25th 2015 at 5:10:37 PM

I'm actually surprised Vegeta became an at least somewhat competent father. But then again, he did have to watch his son die in front of him, so...

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#19811: Jun 25th 2015 at 5:12:06 PM

In the intro to the 2008 special, Vegeta is carrying Trunks on his back while flying, still sporting his trademark grumpy Vegeta face.

It's one of the most absolutely adorable things I've ever seen.

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#19812: Jun 25th 2015 at 5:12:39 PM

"I'm gonna not be a shit dad. Because my dad was a shit."

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#19813: Jun 25th 2015 at 5:18:05 PM

I really want to see more Goten and Trunks. And more than just "they're a Cheerful Child and Bratty Half-Pint." Seriously, after the amount of development and screentime Gohan had, Goten and Trunks seem really underdeveloped by comparison.

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#19814: Jun 25th 2015 at 5:27:00 PM

Someone give those two a spin-off!

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#19815: Jun 25th 2015 at 5:33:11 PM

To put it in simplest terms:

Sasuke is what Vegeta would've been like if the story wasn't punishing him for being an asshole but instead rewarding more him the more selfish and evil he is.

To put it in perspective:

Everyone acknowledges that when he dies, Vegeta's going to go to hell, which he fully deserves, and even he understands that much.

In Sasuke's case, literally all he had to do to get away without punishment for being a deserter, murderer and international terrorist is to give the most insincere apology of all time.

edited 25th Jun '15 5:35:02 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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#19816: Jun 25th 2015 at 7:08:25 PM

In order to better follow the current conversation, i've gotta ask, who is Sasuke?

Well...

Naruto's foil in Naruto.

edited 25th Jun '15 7:14:57 PM by Soble

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#19817: Jun 25th 2015 at 7:48:08 PM

Really, I think Vegeta is a bad influence on shonen action that came after Dragon Ball, because a lot of people have tried to imitate his success and failed.

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#19818: Jun 25th 2015 at 7:54:01 PM

Poor imitations missing the point is like the darker, malevolent cousin to "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny. Goku and Vegeta got hit with it pretty hard as shonen developed. It's not entirely an Eastern thing either, as Buffy The Vampire Slayer more or less invented the "Repentant Vampire Romance" despite having little in common with the genre.

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#19819: Jun 25th 2015 at 7:56:59 PM

From what we've seen of King Vegeta, he was a good father to his son. Which is why Vegeta being such a dick to Future Trunks at first made me go "What" back in the day.

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#19820: Jun 25th 2015 at 7:59:07 PM

Funny, Vegeta himself takes some traits from Raoh.

edited 25th Jun '15 7:59:27 PM by Demongodofchaos2

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#19821: Jun 25th 2015 at 8:00:07 PM

Re: King Yemma's strength: Given his portfolio I can see him basically being "as strong as he needs to be" to corral unruly dead people, just as part of his divine powers or what have you.

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#19822: Jun 25th 2015 at 8:06:15 PM

[up][up][up] He sent his son off to live with a capricious tyrant because it would be convenient and teach him some manners.

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#19823: Jun 25th 2015 at 8:13:30 PM

The problem with a lot of modern shounen is that they all try to copy Dragon Ball in some way and basically all of them fail to capture why it was so great when Toriyama did it (Roshi and Vegeta are perfect examples of this). That's why I like finding shounen series that are only minimally influenced by Dragon Ball.

edited 25th Jun '15 8:13:47 PM by Zelenal

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#19824: Jun 25th 2015 at 9:11:14 PM

Now that you mention it, Vegeta himself is actually my favorite Vegeta-type character in all the manga I've read. Byakuya Kuchiki's boring, Hiei's boring (Kurama's cool though), Sasuke is a walking Family-Unfriendly Aesop on top of being boring, and Roronoa Zoro (while he's not really a rival, he has a number of the same character traits), is easily the most boring member of the Straw Hats.

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#19825: Jun 25th 2015 at 9:31:33 PM

Part of it is that, well, Vegeta came first, and as such, we use him as a baseline to compare with others who fulfill his same role.

Another part is that a lot of mangaka try to 'one up' him by playing up the cool aspects of his character while minimizing his 'lame' aspects.

But the 'lame' aspects of Vegeta's character are what made him so entertaining to watch.

I don't care to see him when he's so on top of his game he gets vertigo, I want to see Freeza break him. I want to see Vegeta breaking down when he realizes that he's just a nuisance in front of the titans who are actually fighting. I want to see Vegeta getting the crap beat out of him so thoroughly that he begs the earthlings for assistance to use the Spirit Bomb.

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