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Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#1826: Mar 25th 2013 at 5:11:08 PM

Freeza and Cell could totally fuse, all Cell would have to do is lower his powerful level to that of Freeza's, the Earth Fighters can do that remember?

Not sure how much of a benefit it would be though, especially since it would only last for thirty minutes. Now, as for Kibito Kai/shin, I do not see why he would not be strong enough to fight Buu, but then again, unlike Gotenks he has no Super Modes (Gotenks had 3). Still, I thought he should have at least been strong enough to help against Kid Buu, if not Super Buu.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#1827: Mar 25th 2013 at 5:27:08 PM

I still think DBZ should have ended with Vegeto, Gotenks, Piccolo, Gohan, and Kibito Kai teaming up against Buu. It would have been better than using the spirit bomb.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#1828: Mar 25th 2013 at 5:32:00 PM

The spirit bomb could still be in there(it only ever worked that one time) but I somewhat like you idea. Let the others do something for once.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#1829: Mar 25th 2013 at 5:34:28 PM

Yeah, I like how Vegeta and Fat Buu got their turns with Kid Buu, disappointed Gohan didn't get to do anything given how significant him getting the powerup was. But then again, he would have defeated Kid Buu without the need for any Spirit Bomb at that point.

Hmm...

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1830: Mar 25th 2013 at 5:34:50 PM

@Saiga: Weren't you saying they were of poorer quality than the nw movie? From the summaries, said new movie incredibly retarded.

If that wasn't what you meant than I apologize for misunderstanding you.

And maybe Gohan should have beaten Buu. Just a thought.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#1831: Mar 25th 2013 at 5:39:15 PM

My problem with the spirit bomb is twofold.

1. This thing couldn't even take out Frieza but it kills Buu? He's at least 1000x stronger, possibly more.

2. There were about five shonen upgrades yet Buu is killed by something that debuted in the first saga? Yeah, that's not bad writing or anything.

Also I think Vegeto defusing was an asspull and I'd have liked it if the Z Fighters fought as a team in the final battle but that's a different issue from the spirit bomb.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#1832: Mar 25th 2013 at 5:49:26 PM

It was a much bigger and more powerful Spirit Bomb than the one he used on Frieza. Thank Mr. Satan for that.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#1833: Mar 25th 2013 at 5:58:54 PM

Even so it was unable to kill Frieza who was around 60k(due to not being at 100%). I don't care how much stronger it is. If it couldn't even do serious damage to Frieza I can't imagine it would ever be able to kill Buu.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1834: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:06:09 PM

One thing I liked about GT was the Universal Spirit Bomb. Energy from four galaxies > Big Bad is certainly more logical and impressive than just Earth's energy.

Don't they abuse the Spirit Bomb in the DBZ Movies though? I only watched TFS versions of the movies but they kinda lampshade it in one of them. ("Oh, let me guess, you're gonna use the Spirit Bomb" or something like that)

vanishingreality from Sinnoh Since: Aug, 2011
#1835: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:06:25 PM

I heard rumors that this new dbz movie was created by Toriyama and canon, and he is going to start a new dbz series based off it (with the 12 universes and gods of destruction). This is all bs right?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#1836: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:09:30 PM

Hopefully. If not I hope they use someone other than Goku as the hero.

Let Uub, Bra, and Pan save the day for once.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1837: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:16:46 PM

Yay Pan! She could finally go SSJ.

Super Saiyan women are much overdo.

edited 25th Mar '13 6:17:11 PM by Nikkolas

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#1838: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:24:31 PM

The Frieza spirit bomb was mostly made with energy from just the planets and nature, while the Kid Buu one was made with energy from all the humans and other people on earth further helped by Mr. Satan's rallying cry, including several very powerful ones like Gohan, Piccolo, Androids 17 and 18, ect.

And yeah, they tended to abuse the Spirit Bomb in the earlier movies. Goku finishes off Dr. Wheelo, Turles, and Lord Slug (3 consecutive villains) with the Spirit Bomb, and in one ending to Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans he uses it again. Super Android 13 has him charging up a Spirit Bomb, but it totally subverts the use of it, which was pretty cool.

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vanishingreality from Sinnoh Since: Aug, 2011
#1839: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:29:04 PM

Yeah even that movie made Gohan accidentally shoot Videl and Bulma was punched so the women of dbz (as of battle of the gods) officially reached new levels of pathetic.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#1840: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:30:46 PM

Potara fusion between Yamcha and Omega Shenron. I want to see what it would look like.

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Randomman5 "The Perfect Villain Doesn't Exi-" Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
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#1841: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:32:47 PM

Ignoring how completely impossible it is, imagine a fusion of Vegito and Gogeta.

Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#1842: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:35:51 PM

That is an alternate ending, the regular ending has them use all their special moves on Hatchyak and another has them take out Dr. Raichi early and make him a non issue.

As for it, the difference between the Spirit bomb with Freeza and the Spirit Bomb with Kid Buu was the content. Android 17 made that thing better than Namek's by himself, it left Earth's population totally drained and Goku was much stronger and in Super Saiyan to boot.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#1843: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:37:08 PM

Yeah, I pointed out it was only one ending where they use the Spirit Bomb on Hatchiyack.

And a fusion of Vegito and Gogeta would be Vegogeto?

edited 25th Mar '13 6:38:20 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Randomman5 "The Perfect Villain Doesn't Exi-" Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
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#1844: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:47:24 PM

Or Gogeto?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#1845: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:48:14 PM

But then that's 2/3rds Goku and 1/3rd Vegeta.

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Randomman5 "The Perfect Villain Doesn't Exi-" Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
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#1846: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:49:28 PM

Vegogeta's kind of a mouthful, though.

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#1847: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:49:40 PM

SSG Vegogeto, new standard in god-modding.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#1848: Mar 25th 2013 at 6:51:18 PM

I wonder, would SSG be more powerful than SSJ 4? How large a multiplier is SSG?

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Randomman5 "The Perfect Villain Doesn't Exi-" Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1850: Mar 25th 2013 at 7:20:09 PM

...I kinda want to re-watch GT. I only watched it through once nd that was about five years ago.

I doubt it will be any good but why the hell not. Especially now I can see it with the original music. That might ease the pain a bit.

I really love that song.


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