TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Dragon Ball

Go To

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#90026: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:17:28 PM

[up][up]The one with the infamous battle between Goku and Beerus.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Nov 18th 2018 at 10:17:46 PM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#90027: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:20:32 PM

Episode 5 had infamously bad animation.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#90028: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:22:02 PM

I don't think the worst parts of Super come close to being as bad the worst parts of Evolution. Y'all are babies if you actually think that.

No, worse than babies, even.

The Tournament of Power had enough highlights to give me hope.

There were still flaws throughout, but as steps in the right direction go.

Ok, fair enough. I've never bothered to watch Evolution (though my bro did...and apparently liked it). I do admit that saying Super is worse is pretty over the top.

No babies here though.

I just feel that the cracks in Toriyama and Toei's style are showing. Dragon ball had a good run (it's only years later that many of us are realizing its flaws) and probably should have stayed done.

Or at least, they should be willing to move forward and give us stuff with the new characters instead of pushing forward with the Goku Show, featuring the Vegeta experience.

We've had that show already. There's not much more you can do with those two character wise, and the power ups are getting so up there now it's ridiculous. What will they do when Goku becomes stronger than the strongest God of Destruction...then the angels, then the Grand Priest, and then Zen-O?

Who are they gonna come up with who's stronger then? Hell, it'd be nice to see the adventures of Uub, Pan and some of those other assholes from the new generation. Maybe they can give us something new, because Goku can't, but Toriyama won't do that (and I honestly think he doesn't know how, considering how hard he backtracked with Gohan).

Something needs to change.

One Strip! One Strip!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#90029: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:34:36 PM

Okay, you can't understand how bad Evolution is until you've seen it. It is truly atrocious, far worse than anything else in the entire Dragon Ball franchise.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90030: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:36:18 PM

I crap on Super a lot but even I’m not dumb enough to compare it to Evolution.

I have thankfully never seen Evolution but I know it’s a level of badness only reachable by watching Batman vs Superman over a hundred times.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#90031: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:36:48 PM

I mean. There are fights in the TOP that rank to me as better than anything in Dragon Ball. And, yeah, parts of it are still lame and dumb and make no sense.

But where it shines, it goddamn shines.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 18th 2018 at 9:39:37 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90032: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:38:13 PM

The benefits of modern animation.

Technology has come a Hell of a long way since.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#90033: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:38:20 PM

A lot Dragon Ball fights were really slow.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 18th 2018 at 6:38:43 AM

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#90034: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:38:47 PM

Evolution just throws away Goku's entire history and character and turns him into a really poorly executed Peter Parker. And it actually gets worse from there.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#90035: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:39:11 PM

I mean, if we're really being fair you can't say Evolution is worse than Super without having actually seen it.

Speaking of which, removing the Dragon Ball aspect, how do you think Evolution fairs as a movie?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#90036: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:40:22 PM

There's moments in Evolution where it's "just" a generic coming-of-age teen high school movie that has nothing to do with Dragon Ball, and doesn't resemble Dragon Ball or try to, and honestly it's pretty bad and poorly written directed and acted even for high school movie standards.

And those are the best part. Then it starts to try to be Dragon Ball and. No. Please no. Go back to High School.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#90037: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:41:00 PM

Even removing the Dragon Ball aspect, Evolution is a confusing mess of a film with bad effects, a really stupid and convoluted plot, and some parts that are absurdly derivative of better movies.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#90038: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:42:35 PM

Okay, you can't understand how bad Evolution is until you've seen it. It is truly atrocious, far worse than anything else in the entire Dragon Ball franchise.

I never plan to see it. I'd sooner take a vicious ass kicking. Physically that is. Watching Evolution would be the same thing, but for my soul.

Sometimes this thread dumps on the Super anime so hard I forget there are things about it I like

That first Goku vs Jiren fight....beautiful.

And the manga has it's own ups and downs, as we've mentioned (Vegeta stating he's never needed a teacher is true...you know, until Whis buggered that up) That's one significant different between him and Goku. He really has always searched for his own path.

Though whining about being behind Goku is kinda taking a step back. Then again, him going muh family is cliche. So neither side is perfect.

One Strip! One Strip!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#90039: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:45:57 PM

I mean. There are fights in the TOP that rank to me as better than anything in Dragon Ball. And, yeah, parts of it are still lame and dumb and make no sense.

But where it shines, it goddamn shines.

Every time I think to myself "ugh, that Universe 4 elimination episode was so bad" I open up "All Ultra Instinct Battles" on youtube and I'm suddenly totally into Super again.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#90040: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:46:32 PM

That one scene of Karrot summoning shen long is enough to peak it's quality...and that's at the end of the movie.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#90041: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:48:57 PM

I think there are honestly High School AU fanfics of Dragon Ball that are actually better than Evolution.

And I'm not even talking on AO3 or FF.Net or even Deviant Art.

No. I mean on Wattpad.

In terms of believability of character, and faithfulness to source material, and. Better dialogue.

...I mean, part of me has a painful, masochistic, morbid curiosity about the Evolution-verse and what could have happened if there was a sequel and.

Like. I'm weirdly disappointed that the party at Chi-Chi's house wasnt broken up by the Ox-King?

I cannot stop thinking about who the fuck would have played the Ox King. Who is the worst possible choice for the role.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 18th 2018 at 9:49:32 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#90042: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:50:18 PM

Danny Devito.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90043: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:50:59 PM

I’m not gonna lie, I’d like to see that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#90044: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:51:04 PM

...Yes. Yes that is exactly who they would have gotten.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#90045: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:54:03 PM

Now, would it have been Danny Devito playing Ox King at normal Danny Devito height, or Danny Devito CGI'd up to Ox King size?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#90046: Nov 18th 2018 at 7:00:07 PM

With Evolution's CG?

Danny Devito on stilts or suspended on a crane or in a. Not a fatsuit but a tallsuit. Tall and fatsuit. Would be more believabile.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#90047: Nov 18th 2018 at 7:03:36 PM

...

This is a very entertaining conversation. Lets keep it up.

Evolution is good for something after all.cool

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90048: Nov 18th 2018 at 7:07:31 PM

Like should Goku be portrayed by a Chinese actor or?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#90049: Nov 18th 2018 at 7:13:03 PM

Probably?

Like. Aesthetically, especially in Dragon Ball, Goku and Chichi always seem more Chinese than Japanese? Their home architecture, Gohan's clothes with the Dragon Ball hat, Chichi's clothes.

And Sun Wukong is a Chinese character originally, so.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#90050: Nov 18th 2018 at 7:23:47 PM

Since the Broly movie is being distributed by 20th Century Fox, does that mean Dragon Ball is a part of Disney now?


Total posts: 130,800
Top