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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89776: Nov 15th 2018 at 9:29:52 AM

Honestly, Chichi's probably lucky that Goku never put his mouth on hers.

Seems like a way to lose your lips.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89777: Nov 15th 2018 at 9:39:00 AM

Both of your lips. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#89778: Nov 15th 2018 at 9:39:31 AM

Nah, he probably would've just spit.

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89779: Nov 15th 2018 at 10:01:47 AM

And yes, Toyotaro does a lot of art homages which are annoying. But they're not the same issue that the anime has, where it spams named techniques constantly, or very specific things like the Hellzone Grenade, being unoriginal and devalueing those moves. The homage panels are pretty annoying when they're noticeable, but don't have any in-universe implications.
The Super anime really is just Toei's usual problems in action, especially in regards to power scaling, nostalgia bait, dropped plots and inconsistent characterizations. This is another instance. The prime example pre-Super was probably Piccolo's Light of Death/Special Beam Cannon/Makkanspotomus. In the manga he used it once (possibly twice) in the one scenario where it was useful; in the anime it was spammed constantly by both him and the bad guys. A probably not complete list:

  • Piccolo used it during his body-split training.

  • Piccolo used it against Garlic Junior in that interim arc.

  • Piccolo used it to kill Salza in movie 5.

  • Imperfect Cell used it against Piccolo.

  • Perfect Cell used it against Goku.

  • Perfect Cell used it against Gohan.

  • The Cell Juniors used it against Gohan.

  • Piccolo used it against Perfect Cell.

  • Piccolo used it to stop one of Bojack's attacks in movie 9.

  • Super Buu uses it against Gohan.

  • Fake-Piccolo used it in Super Buu's body.

  • Piccolo used it to stop Aka's mouth blast in the 2008 JSAT special.

They even had him using it with one arm even though the only reason he used it that way in the Raditz fight was because he lost his other one. It's like a video game. There's also Vegeta's Final Flash. In the manga, he uses it once in the fight with Cell; the Super manga adds one more usage of a similar technique in the fight with Fused Zamasu. It's a huge deal whenever it happens, with Vegeta having an epic charge sequence and creating a huge energy wave that runs him dry and grievously injures an all-powerful enemy he normally wouldn't have a chance against. The Z and especially Super TV adaptations however have it thrown around like any other ki blast:

  • Vegeta used it against a Cell Junior, who easily blocked it.

  • Vegeta used it in his extended anime fight with Kid Buu.

  • Vegeta used it against Magetta who tanked it.

  • Future Trunks used it against Zamasu-Goku.

  • Future Trunks used it against Future Zamasu.

  • Vegeta used it against Infinite Zamasu.

  • Vegeta used it against the Trio de Dangers.

  • Vegeta used it against Katopesla.

  • Vegeta used it against Toppo.

  • Vegeta used it against an ultra-suppressed Jiren, and it somehow affects him less than Vegeta's normal kicks.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Nov 15th 2018 at 10:08:48 AM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89780: Nov 15th 2018 at 10:03:25 AM

I mean, in fairness, nobody complains about Goku always doing the Kamehameha.

Cell and the Cell Juniors using the Special Beam Cannon makes perfect sense with their concept.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 15th 2018 at 1:04:06 PM

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#89781: Nov 15th 2018 at 10:09:59 AM

Cell remains the villain Goku didn't take a bite on. Probably too crunchy.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#89782: Nov 15th 2018 at 10:11:24 AM

That's because it's from kid Dragon Ball...the most recurring moves come from early Dragon Ball.

Especially flight.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89783: Nov 15th 2018 at 10:21:28 AM

I think why repetition really hurts the Final Flash is because in it’s iconic usage, it was this big build-up thing where Vegeta charged an immense amount of energy because Perfect Cell wanted to test him & then when it finally blasted it was this immense wave of energy that shot off the globe.

The Kamehameha is by comparison more casual.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#89784: Nov 15th 2018 at 10:22:02 AM

Hey, guess what! SDBH World Mission got rated for Australia! You know what that means, when a Japanese game gets rated over there...

Heroes is coming.

Edited by Rinsankajugin on Nov 15th 2018 at 12:22:59 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89785: Nov 15th 2018 at 10:23:47 AM

Alright we’ll finally see what the fuss is about.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#89786: Nov 15th 2018 at 12:22:01 PM

This also means that our Great Pope is locked to play the game at the moment. tongue

Assuming Saiga has a Switch...

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Nov 15th 2018 at 3:23:29 PM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89787: Nov 15th 2018 at 3:23:19 PM

i always thought he was a bottom OH, you meant the console.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#89788: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:18:03 PM

They even had him using it with one arm even though the only reason he used it that way in the Raditz fight was because he lost his other one.

I think you read a different translation of the manga than I did because that's not how I remember it.

Anyway, "fighters used named moves too much" is just one complaint I cannot understand (except in the case of final flash). Feels very "that's not how it was in the manga so it's automatically bad".

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#89789: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:26:29 PM

Most moves are one-offs typically because of their ineffectiveness or just better moves that replace them.

So there's no real reason most moves should come back, especially since the only difference is color most of the time.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:27:50 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#89790: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:40:08 PM

Totally Not Mark made two videos dissecting why people are upset with the Super manga, and why it is objectively bad. Objectively. Like, what about the Dragon Ball Super manga is measurably and quantifiably done wrong when comparing to other popular and well-made manga, in terms of composition, panel structure, anatomy, how the action flows, and how the characters are drawn.

And the second video, released today, a few weeks later. In it, he talks about the reception of the first video and goes much more in-depth about the issues brought up in the first video, also bringing up more issues that he didn't get around to the first time around.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89791: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:42:06 PM

i think all youtubers are objectively bad

objectively

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#89792: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:46:34 PM

Cool, you dropped some Youtube links.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89793: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:48:32 PM

I choose to ignore this fact.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#89794: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:49:13 PM

See, it's jokes like that that foster the dangerous idea that media should never be seriously criticized because it's all just opinions. That idea is wrong. There are plenty of real, objective flaws that any piece of media can have, and even joking like that foster a lazy mindset among creators of "it's not poorly made, you just think it is, so I don't need to change".

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#89795: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:51:46 PM

There's a difference between "nothing can be seriously critiqued because opinions" and "this is objectively bad, and you're wrong for not thinking it is".

I feel it's weird that has to be said to you, given the constant arguments about the anime's quality.

It's perfectly possible to hold strong opinions and use several factors to try and support them while still acknowledging that they are, in fact, opinions that may be disagreed with.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 15th 2018 at 6:52:56 AM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89796: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:51:52 PM

I'm an old bitch that wishes people would go back to writing essays.

I dont need to hear your annoying voice.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 15th 2018 at 7:52:29 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#89797: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:52:50 PM

[up][up]Oh please, I call out the anime when it does something bad. I just enjoy the highs it has a great deal.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89798: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:53:19 PM

I think I posted one of those videos before.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#89799: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:53:47 PM

[up][up]But many of the things you consider "highs" are things that other people consider terrible. You aren't wrong for enjoying them, but that doesn't change that it's a subjective matter.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 15th 2018 at 6:54:02 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#89800: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:54:07 PM

[up][up]I think you did, too. I just felt the newer video was better with the added context of the first video.

[up]There are subjective highs as well as objective highs, just like there are subjective and objective lows.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 15th 2018 at 5:54:46 AM


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