The animation & art for those arcs were utter horse shite. They are one of the main reasons why Super has such a terrible reputation in the first place.
If we get another retelling, they better make sure it looks Goddamn good.
Especially in Broly’s case since it’s art & animation is supposed to be a next step as a whole for the entire franchise.
Edited by slimcoder on Nov 15th 2018 at 12:43:03 PM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Well producers or execs of any company aren’t intelligent.
Sales for Destiny 2 haven’t lived up to expectations to you wanna what’s the answer proposed by execs? More monetization (micro-transactions) & release content on an even faster scale, essentially proving they learn nothing no matter what.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I would imagine that a hypothetical tv show Broly retelling would use Toriyama's original 3-hour long script, instead of the cut down version the movie got. Who knows, maybe the fate of the world will once again rest on Oolong beating Broly in rock-paper-scissors.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 15th 2018 at 2:53:55 AM
I mean, would that basically be two arcs? A Dragon Ball Minus Arc and a Broly arc? Do we know how much of the script's content was in which half?
...Is Jaco in the 3 hour script. Did Toriyama write a Jaco adaptation in there.
Because. Fuck me sideways I always wanted an animated version of Jaco.
...I should probably have been more specific and said a "well-animated" version of Jaco. Damned monkey's paw.
Edited by unnoun on Nov 15th 2018 at 6:06:55 AM
I seem to remember someone mentioning that the Super manga didn't have the audience thinking that Vegeta was turning evil during his fight with Cabba, and saying that was something it did better than the anime.
Well, I decided to re-read that chapter looking for content for a moveset I'm working on for Cabba in Fighterz, and that bit totally is in there. When Vegeta's beating up Cabba, there's a line from Bulma wondering why he's going so far, as well as a line from Yamcha wondering if Vegeta's gone back to being evil. It's not as long, because the manga's pace is absurdly rushed, but it's still in there.
Also, people complain about the Super anime reusing attacks when Vegeta totally tries to "kill" Cabba with the Nappa-killer beam, with the exact same composition and everything.
Also also, reading the chapter for Fighterz content was a complete waste of time, since Cabba does nothing noteworthy in it whatsoever. The closest thing to it was a neat little kicking combo at the start of the fight, but that's it. The fight basically ends the second Cabba goes Super Saiyan, and Cabba doesn't even do anything cool with it, like he does in the anime. He just rushes at Vegeta, they clash for one panel, Vegeta gives up the goat that he was training him, then Vegeta one-shots him with Blue.
It's not that the Super manga has gotten bad recently, the Super manga has always been bad, and people are only just recently realizing that. I really wish it was good, it gives me no pleasure saying it's bad. I was actually happy with that Caulifla vs Freeza chapter, that one was pretty good. It's just that there's no tension, drama, or catharsis at all. It all just kind of falls flat and is boring, and I hate it. The anime had some rough patches, but it also had some crazy awesome hype moments, and there's just no excitement in the manga.
On a scale from 1 to 10, the anime ranged from a 3 at its worst to a 9 at its best, but the manga is a 3 at its worst and never rises above a 5.
People have been bitching about the manga every since it deviated from the anime, that's nothing new. It's just that as people have been following the spoilers for more events the
And yes, Toyotaro does a lot of art homages which are annoying. But they're not the same issue that the anime has, where it spams named techniques constantly, or very specific things like the Hellzone Grenade, being unoriginal and devalueing those moves. The homage panels are pretty annoying when they're noticeable, but don't have any in-universe implications.
It's also not 'absurd' to move quickly through the U 6 matches. There's really nothing of substance to them, it's Vegeta sandbagging against opponents far beneath them. What the anime did was drag them out, especially stuff like Vegeta vs Magetta. The post battle interaction between Cabba and Vegeta in the anime was nice, but the battle itself is just meh. Given that the chapters are monthly it's for the best to wrap each of these fights up in a given chapter.
Just rewatched the anime SS Cabba vs SS Vegeta. That is not a cool fight. It starts off with poorly animated punch spam and then Vegeta getting the shit kicked out of him despite that not making sense, then poorly animated beam spam until Vegeta finally deflects the blasts and tanks his punch. It's classic Super 'they're just holding back, which is why they look shocked and keep crying out in pain while sweating bullets as they're one-sidedly kicked around'.
Edited by Saiga on Nov 15th 2018 at 10:13:37 PM
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The red-carpet premiere started so yeah it’s sorta out.
Which means spoilers are also out so be careful.
Honestly I don’t think Cabba is Fighter Z material. Maybe as apart of another characters attack but not his own character.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Kefla does suffer from having a really short screen time.
Most of her appearance is being apart of a two-way curb-stomp by giving one to Goku & receiving one from Goku in rather un-flashy displays of power.
She only really starts showing some cool stuff in her last stand via the laser light-show & the Double Christmas, both of which can easily make a Level 1 & 3 but not an entire move-set unless you heavily expand the lasers to being apart of everything she does.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Honestly, I think Kale would be better as a point character with Caulifla assisting. Kale has quite a wide variety of moves, like the Hulk slamming grab and maybe a move based on her raging and rising up the ground beneath her. Their Level 3 also writes itself as their double beam they used against the Pride Troopers. You can also just steal moves from Broly if you run out.
Kafla actually has a bunch of moves, too, most of them various ki balls she creates. She has an obvious move where she creates a bunch of ki balls over her shoulders, which hover over her body until she throws them or they fire automatically.
Check the Dragon Ball Fighterz thread, I post my full moveset ideas there frequently. I also have a Tumblr which is almost entirely those moveset ideas, under the same name as here, for easier access.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 15th 2018 at 5:47:55 AM
Kale being too similar to Broly doesn't help her much, we already have Broly and we'll probably get Super Broly eventually anyway (I hope if they do that, they use the Ikari form at least).
My original idea for a Caulifla/Kale team would be that Kale would be an assist that transforms progressively to make it more unique, but the modelling would be too much for what is an assist. Then again, Ginyu's got models for four different assist characters...
On the anime Cabba vs Vegeta fight fight: those handstand kicks are awesome, and the barrage of ki blasts exploding was really well animated, I dunno what you were talking about. Vegeta also clearly headbutted Cabba's last punch to cancel out the force (Vegeta's stance is completely different before and after the punch), the two Saiyans were about equal in strength, Vegeta stated as much earlier in the fight. Cabba got the drop on Vegeta because Cabba was around as strong as Vegeta.
Kale having Broly moves actually helps her out, since that means she'd be easier to program and implement. Remember that this is the same game that had base Goku and base Vegeta as paid DLC. Kale being playable would also mean that we could have a whole team of Legendary Super Saiyans.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 15th 2018 at 5:51:52 AM
There were two handstand kicks. One from Vegeta, one from Cabba. They're nice but 'awesome' is overselling it pretty hard, and Vegeta deflecting those blasts wasn't something Cabba did.
Vegeta headbutting a punch would not make any sense if he was only as strong as Cabba, I'm pretty sure the manga and anime were both trying to make it clear that SS Vegeta was stronger than Cabba after all of that. If they were meant to be even instead of Vegeta sandbagging, it's even worse that he spends the entire fight getting ragdolled.
Base Goku and Vegeta have completely different movesets, and including them wasn't my favourite decision anyway. Reusing Broly's animations for Kale would be a terrible idea, a game like FighterZ is supposed to have the characters be really distinct from each other.
I mean, I'm fine with a moveset clone or echo fighter or whatever if it makes sense.
And if the voice clips and story are distinct enough.
I sorta just want Kale as a alt costume/alt voice track for OG Broly. I don't actually need her to play any differently from him?
Edited by unnoun on Nov 15th 2018 at 8:02:16 AM
Base Goku and base Vegeta have some different moves, but they share a lot of the same normals as their others forms, and most obviously, they have the same basic character models.
I just rewatched the fight, and saying that Cabba's rush of punches was "poorly animated" is completely ludicrous. Did you miss the two absolutely GORGEOUS cuts of animation on those first two punches Cabba did? The punch rush itself is also really well-drawn, and is shown from a bunch of different angles, only one of which repeats frames from a different one.
And Vegeta's not "getting ragdolled", he's knocked around for two hits, that happens all the time in even fights. Every other attack he blocks.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 15th 2018 at 6:18:29 AM
I literally just re-watched the fight. The blur of punches is not at all pleasing, it looks like shit.
And Vegeta gets pushed back from the punches, gritting his teeth, then when he does his kick Cabba retaliates and kicks him in the air, and gets behind Vegeta and knocks him to the ground, and pelts him with ki blasts. He totally dominates him, even when Vegeta was blocking he's still sweating and grimacing.
And I know it happens in every fight, because the Super anime has a massive problem with it.

I liked how Super retold and expanded on the two movies, to be honest. I hope that, if Super resumes, it does the same on Broly.
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