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ZeroDozer Incinerate! ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!! from Santo André, SP, Brazil Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Incinerate! ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!
#89651: Nov 13th 2018 at 5:50:02 PM

I still think this rumor is beyond farfetched. After all, Frieza actually has a new goal as stated in the Tournament of Power: usurp the gods' throne.

Which actually makes me believe that Frieza led Broly to Earth to actually test-drive him there to see if he could smash Beerus.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Nov 13th 2018 at 11:51:03 AM

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#89652: Nov 13th 2018 at 5:53:12 PM

He'll need 4 more months of training to catch up to Beerus.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89653: Nov 13th 2018 at 6:02:06 PM

If Frieza ever got a training montage, he'd be unstoppable.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89654: Nov 13th 2018 at 6:09:58 PM

Freeza can want to be a god and want to be tall.

Those aren't mutually exclusive.

More importantly, only one of those is something he can get from a wish.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#89655: Nov 13th 2018 at 6:33:32 PM

plus shenron has multiple wishes he can wish to be taller and then immortal. that way he isnt stuck as a small lizard for all eternity

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#89656: Nov 13th 2018 at 7:51:21 PM

It's from Geekdom, so it's also a credible rumour. Freeza's plot of overthrowing the gods has so far only been present in the anime version of Super, so I won't be surprised if it's not mentioned by Toeiyama's script

The movie's advanced screening happens tonight so we'll start getting confirmations soon.

Edited by Saiga on Nov 14th 2018 at 1:57:21 AM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89657: Nov 13th 2018 at 7:52:47 PM

I'm not sure overthrowing Zen'O is even a possible thing anyway.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89658: Nov 13th 2018 at 7:56:20 PM

I could even see Freeza stealing the Dragonballs and wishing for height just to fuck with our heroes. But then Broly shows up and it all goes terribly wrong. evil grin

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89659: Nov 13th 2018 at 7:56:40 PM

I feel like you could just do whatever you want and as long as you killed or deactivated all the other Gods and Angels, Zeno wouldn't notice/care. Like what happened in Trunks' timeline with Zamasu and Zamasu.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89660: Nov 13th 2018 at 7:58:35 PM

On the other hand, Future Zen'O is in the main timeline now, and might have learned a lesson.

Or, y'know, not. Whatever.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89661: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:03:24 PM

I don't think so. It seems he generally wants people to act morally, and if they don't he punishes the world en masse for it. But he judges the world solely through what he sees immediately. That's why he didn't bother doing anything about Zamasu and Zamasu when they killed all the Gods and started ravaging Universe 7, but immediately exterminated him when he was brought face to face with his actions ("What's this? It's all messed up... Is it his fault? How annoying."). He'd probably think the same thing about Buu if Kaioshin died 5 million years ago (meaning Beerus dies and U-7 ends up barren by the time of the present series).

Case in point, the Tournament of Power. He wanted the winners to act selflessly, and he was basically going to judge existence by the decision of one man. He doesn't care about what he can't see, and he doesn't really bother to look.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89662: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:09:32 PM

Come to think of it, he was also unaware of how shitty a job Beerus and Champa were doing as Destroyers until Whis and Vados told him about it. He was aware to an extent of the two of them being up to multiversal shenanigans, though.

Granted, he didn't do anything about it then, besides issue a (joking) warning.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 13th 2018 at 8:10:35 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89663: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:14:41 PM

It’s a rather scary thought that the entire multiverse is run by a bunch incompetent all-powerful morons.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 13th 2018 at 8:18:14 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89664: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:19:38 PM

Par for the course though.

It's morons all the way down.

Even the geniuses are morons.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 13th 2018 at 11:26:23 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#89665: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:31:28 PM

[up][up] So just like real life then

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#89666: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:37:25 PM

At this point, should we classify Dragon Ball Z as a Cosmic Horror Show due to how the deities in this universe act?

Edited by firewriter on Nov 13th 2018 at 8:37:50 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#89667: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:38:33 PM

The Dragonball universe is a universe that should just collapse on itself from pure stupidity.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89668: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:40:54 PM

[up][up][up] Huh so it’s not unrealistic.

To think everyone could have been obliterated because of Zeno’s attempt at gambling.

Cause that is literally the only way that entire plan makes sense, just one big gamble the likes of which the multiverse have never seen.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 13th 2018 at 8:41:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#89669: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:42:35 PM

I have a theory that the only reason Champa's universe is rated higher than Beerus' is because Saiyans in U6 are, as a species, good instead of evil. They barely exist in U7, and they were genocidal barbarians when they did exist, but they're basically a whole species of mercenaries for justice in U6.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#89670: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:49:02 PM

well yeah. also their freeza was just as evil, but he hid it and acted as a protector he wasnt deathballing whole worlds because

Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Making darkness adorable since 1999
#89671: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:51:23 PM

@Known Unknown: That sounds hilarious. XD

Come on! Let's bless them all until we get fershnickered!
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#89672: Nov 13th 2018 at 8:54:44 PM

It makes me wonder how would the Gods Of Destruction handle Lavos from Chrono Trigger. Now they would have to pay attention to what was going on in their universes.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89673: Nov 13th 2018 at 9:15:07 PM

also their freeza was just as evil, but he hid it and acted as a protector he wasnt deathballing whole worlds because

In the anime, at least.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89674: Nov 13th 2018 at 9:20:21 PM

Universe 6 is a lot more organized than Universe 7, with an actually competent interplanetary force/government that protects its citizens and fosters prosperity. They may have been completely blindsided by Anime! Frost being an asshat, but the reason they were blindsided is because everything looked hunky dory, and things are even better in the manga where Frost is just a cheater. And while the strongest non-Saiyan mortal in the universe isn't necessarily good, he is very rigidly neutral with the occasional kind streak (in Universe 7, that spot was is held by Freeza before the protagonists came along). They're not anywhere near as together as Universe 11, of course, but things look a whole lot better off than in 7's playground.

Compare Universe 7, where the closest thing to a practical unifying force in the galaxy is an shattered empire that routinely massacred entire planets, and a toothless and incapable government that doesn't seem to do anything, plus a peacekeeping force whose only elite member we meet is an incompetent joke who constantly screws up his job.

The most powerful and influential people in the galaxy are on a backwater planet that no other mortals in the universe pay attention to, and Beerus - being the wise and intelligent god he was - nearly blew it all up because they didn't feed him pudding fast enough. Champa's also an asshole, but he at least doesn't seem to have gone on petty rampages and condoned clearly horrible conditions for his own comfort the way Beerus did.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 13th 2018 at 9:22:52 AM

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89675: Nov 13th 2018 at 9:21:25 PM

Pretty much everyone is a worse person in the anime (cf. Beerus), so it's doubtful that Toriyama intended him to be that evil.

I wonder if they'll ever release his outlines in their entirety to see how detailed they are. They did it with the "F" script. I'm really curious about that. Because from what little we get, we can see Toriyama is really particular in some ways (the exact same "Goku never kissed his wife" joke is in both the manga and anime, and most of the pages he personally wrote/drew in the manga are gag pages) and ridiculously vague in others (Jiren being an entirely different character between versions, and being given Toppo's personality in the anime before Toriyama sent another memo saying he was a stoic anime tough guy, indicate that he must have had basically no characteristics in the outline aside from "buff superhero mortal stronger than the gods").

Edited by Kamiccolo on Nov 13th 2018 at 9:22:38 AM


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