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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#89601: Nov 12th 2018 at 7:55:44 PM

Multiversal Zamasu could probably beat Goku by just wearing him down with lasers over time while Goku is unable to hit him. Basically what Vegeta would have done to Frieza if he'd actually managed to become immortal in the Namek saga.

ZeroDozer Incinerate! ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!! from Santo André, SP, Brazil Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#89602: Nov 12th 2018 at 7:55:45 PM

[up][up][up][up] I'm 100% with you on that one.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Nov 12th 2018 at 1:56:12 PM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#89603: Nov 12th 2018 at 7:58:41 PM

I mean being immortal doesn't prevent you from suffering a fate worse than death. If Vegeta had become immortal, Frieza would still have beat him up, just without the sweet release of death.

Edited by LordVatek on Nov 12th 2018 at 10:59:25 AM

This song needs more love.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#89604: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:01:04 PM

Yeah, but Vegeta totally would've gotten stronger than Freeza, given enough time. He did in canon, no reason why he wouldn't as an immortal.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89605: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:04:04 PM

[up][up]Nope. Immortality as presented in both Dead Zone and Super is "you will not only never die, but it's impossible to permanently damage you in any way." Also comes with Feel No Pain, at least in Super's case.

Infinite Zamasu could have easily beaten any other character, the reasoning just depends on the version. In the anime, it's because he's omnipresent and there is literally nothing to actually target, so he'd just wear you down until you ran out of energy and died because you can't do anything to him. In the manga, it's because he just infinitely duplicates clones of himself each of which is as strong as the original (who was a bit stronger than CSSB Goku) with no way to stop him because he has Complete Immortality that only Zeno can overcome. So again, even if you were stronger than him, he'd just keep multiplying until either he can overcome you or you die of exhaustion.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Nov 12th 2018 at 8:04:52 AM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89606: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:06:28 PM

Garlic Jr. didn't do that shit, so I'm assuming Shenron isn't good enough for it.

It's probably also a property of the Potara and also Goku Black and him being the same person making things confused.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#89607: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:07:17 PM

I think God Toppo could've beaten Fused Zamasu with a Hakai.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89608: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:08:11 PM

Didn't Goku's Hakai in the manga specifically not work?

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89609: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:08:45 PM

Beerus said that even his Hakai wouldn't work.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#89610: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:14:11 PM

Didn't Goku's Hakai in the manga specifically not work?

It looked like it was going to work before Zamasu used Mai as a human shield, but then later after the battle was over Beerus said Hakai wouldn't have done it, and that's why they have to seal him in a sword or whatever.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89611: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:15:04 PM

Part of me wants to think Shenron or Porunga granted immortality would still be Hakaiable.

I dont have a reason for that, I guess, but. It'd give the Super Dragon Balls a point.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#89612: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:15:40 PM

What did Elder Kai do to Beerus to make him seal him away in that sword, by the way?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89614: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:33:18 PM

I won't say that Broly is stronger than Jiren just off that, but it does make me believe they'll probably throw some dialogue in the movie about him being the strongest or most unthinkable ki they've felt etc

This statement just feels like white noise to me at this point, because I'm fairly certain they say that about everyone nowadays.

Heck, even Broly learning/improving as the fight goes on way done by Hit and Black (and even Jiren got a boost towards the end).

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#89615: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:35:34 PM

Everyone is the strongest until the next villain shows up. Do you even Shonen.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#89617: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:43:09 PM

This statement just feels like white noise to me at this point, because I'm fairly certain they say that about everyone nowadays.

How much money you want to put on a bystander saying "incredible! Goku and Broly's fight has gotten so intense I can't even see their movements anymore".

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89618: Nov 12th 2018 at 8:45:15 PM

That's almost as certain as Beerus showing up looking for food. tongue

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#89619: Nov 12th 2018 at 9:29:26 PM

Even if the Freeza thing wasn't true, it came after the other spoilers which are definitely credible.

That doesn't mean they're 100% true, but there is no denying they came from a credible source and it is foolhardy to pretend otherwise.

Not a fan of Freeza's wish, since he can design his own forms and its BS that immortality wouldn't help. It'd make a bit more sense if he somehow determined that Shenron can't actually do immortality

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89620: Nov 12th 2018 at 10:33:09 PM

To be fair to Frieza, transforming into a taller state does require weakening himself. That said, that's a very... Commander Red wish. I don't recall Frieza ever being particular self-conscious about his height before, especially considering that his initial appearance in the series involved him moving around in a hoverchair as if he couldn't even fly like his henchmen.

Besides, who's going to make fun of a known sadist with an itchy Death Beam finger?

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#89621: Nov 12th 2018 at 10:46:49 PM

He could literally just revert back into his 2nd or 3rd form if he wanted to be taller. lmao

Hell, they could pull an asspull and just have him either slap golden on his 2nd/3rd, or create an entirely different form for his next appearance. Why the hell would Frieza ever want to waste a wish like that? He could have his minions design him artificial legs if he's that desperate. And what practical purpose would it even serve him? It's not like it would magically make him stronger. Frieza has been butchered.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#89622: Nov 12th 2018 at 10:50:07 PM

I will point out though, that there may be more to this. Assuming all rumors are true, there is still one wish left totally unaccounted for.

Edited by LordVatek on Nov 12th 2018 at 1:50:24 PM

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#89623: Nov 12th 2018 at 10:58:15 PM

Freeza: "Make me immortal!"

Shenron: "'Kay."

Goku: "Well, shit. Hey, Shenron, can you reverse a wish you granted?"

Shenron: "Sure, I guess."

Goku: "Okay, Shenron, I want you to make Freeza-"

Freeza: "-Taller! Make me taller, too!"

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#89624: Nov 12th 2018 at 11:21:15 PM

Freeza being immortal would explain why he doesn't get killed. Makes the cast look frustratingly stupid by letting it get that far tho.

And I'm really going to dislike if Freeza's wish is exactly Red's wish. That's just rehashing.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#89625: Nov 13th 2018 at 12:07:35 AM

Isn't rehashing what all the movies do anyway?


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