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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89201: Nov 1st 2018 at 3:16:25 PM

I mean, Piccolo's clothes beam is a technique he knows to explain that though.

And it always seemed more magical or mystical than anything, and the explanation for Super Saiyan 4 has more to do with Golden Oozaru and raw power.

Super Saiyan God and Blue and so on having clothes powers would make more sense.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 6:25:40 AM

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89202: Nov 1st 2018 at 3:42:44 PM

I just realized that Goten and Trunks are actually 22 and 23 in GT. Maron is 18-19. They came off as young teenagers but are actually adults. Did any of them go to college or get jobs like Gohan? I guess Trunks runs Capsule Corp, but the other two?

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#89203: Nov 1st 2018 at 6:30:12 PM

Also wasn't there a scene where Super Goku (anime) couldn't count to five. Or something. I vaguely remember that.

There's a scene where Goku is counting to 10 trillion or something while doing push-ups and he's counting like "1 trillion, 2 trillion, 3 trillion". That doesn't mean he doesn't know how to do math, remember that he still passed the written test for the U6 tournament which had math on it. That just means that Goku doesn't know how counting with gigantic numbers works.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#89204: Nov 1st 2018 at 6:37:12 PM

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Nothing implicitly mentioned, no, but GT did leave out details like that, right?

I would assume that Goten finished higher education (because, again, Chi-Chi), but Marron in GT seems to be still living with her parents.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89205: Nov 1st 2018 at 6:55:12 PM

So anime Superku is literally dumber than a five year old.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Nov 1st 2018 at 7:10:47 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#89206: Nov 1st 2018 at 7:01:04 PM

There's no version of Goku that would know advanced or even moderate mathematics. Goku's only math teaching was from Roshi and was only for 8 months, mixed in with rigorous martial arts training. The highest level math Goku knows is "divide by 4 (Tenshinhan's Multiform)" and "multiply by 2 (he knew 100% Freeza would be weaker than him)".

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 1st 2018 at 7:01:22 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#89207: Nov 1st 2018 at 7:04:24 PM

I don't get why SS 4's weird clothing physics are any weirder than Fusion Dance having a specific outfit.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#89208: Nov 1st 2018 at 7:19:40 PM

[up][up] That's a weak defence. Counting trillions properly is not moderate mathematics.

It is a very very basic mistake for him to count lile that.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89209: Nov 1st 2018 at 7:21:51 PM

I honestly thought he was just literally doing the crunches that fast. That he was only saying aloud the increments of a trillion, but still doing all the crunches in between.

Or, I dunno. Most of the crunches in between. 999 billion and so on. Point being, he can do the crunches faster than he can say them aloud. So he doesn't actually verbally sound off for every single crunch, just the major milestones.

...Also, counting to a trillion is pretty fucking hard.

A trillion is a ridiculous number.

Goku doesn't have 31,709.79 x 10 years to fight Monaka.

I mean. Probably. He might be able to wish for immortality or eternal youth or something.

So, sure, you can say counting trillions properly is "basic" all you like Saiga, but I know for a fact you'll never be able to do it.

You would literally die first.

This has been a reminder of your own mortality and insignificance, as brought to you by the subject Maths! And the number a trillion.

Maths: Because you are just a meaningless spec on a meaningless spec, adrift in the void. And, for some reason, you need to know that! And that's what Maths is for.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 10:59:19 AM

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#89210: Nov 1st 2018 at 8:13:21 PM

I never watched GT but the idea of a primal look involving the ape form for an ultimate power seems pretty cool

I never really grew up watching Dragon Ball or reading it until recently so Super seems mostly ok for me

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#89211: Nov 1st 2018 at 8:30:34 PM

[up][up] I'm not talking about the counting. I'm talking about thinking that 2 trillion is the next number aftwr 1 trillion and so on.

That's stupidity.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#89212: Nov 1st 2018 at 9:19:11 PM

And Unnoun was saying that Goku wasn't counting it that way. Not that I fully agree that was the intention the writer's had, but going by that Goku doesn't think two trillion comes after one trillion.

Edited by Jedi1113 on Nov 1st 2018 at 12:20:02 PM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#89213: Nov 1st 2018 at 9:27:02 PM

Oh I know unnoun wasn't, that wasn't the interpretation I was responding to.

The idea of him doing (close to) a trillion crunches in the time it takes to call out the number is something I like for how hilariously, casually powerful it is, but I don't think that was the intent.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89214: Nov 1st 2018 at 9:38:00 PM

Anime Superku also couldn't tell that it was Beerus in a Monaka costume.

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#89215: Nov 1st 2018 at 9:53:31 PM

Yeah, but that was because Goku had fought so many people with weird powers that all the stuff Monaka!Beerus did seemed like it had a perfectly logical explanation.

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#89216: Nov 1st 2018 at 10:12:19 PM

Lolno

That’s actually bad Super

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#89217: Nov 1st 2018 at 10:37:57 PM

listen the reason the kids never age is gohan gathered up the dragon balls and wished they would never age, so they would never surpass him in relevancy ever again. tongue

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Nov 1st 2018 at 10:38:08 AM

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#89218: Nov 2nd 2018 at 3:44:36 AM

[up] Well that would be a good idea except that I am not sure the characters would do that.

Edited by GAP on Nov 2nd 2018 at 4:40:47 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#89219: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:33:09 AM

This whole parade thing makes me realize Al Roker has to somehow explain Dragon Ball to your average American.

Yeah...

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#89220: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:09:49 AM

You make it sound difficult.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#89221: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:45:10 AM

I hope his description sounds like someone skimming a Wikipedia article and getting several things wrong.

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#89222: Nov 2nd 2018 at 10:57:39 AM

[up] Either that or he gets absolutely everything right but a lot of people call him out for being wrong about this, that, and the other because only, like, five people in the entire Dragon Ball fandom actually understand it.

The amount of misinformation is painful.

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#89223: Nov 2nd 2018 at 1:50:26 PM

I mean, they've been describing the balloons for Pokemon for years. Dragon Ball Z is arguably even more mainstream than Pokemon, so I don't think he'll get it wrong.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#89224: Nov 2nd 2018 at 2:09:29 PM

[up]They called it "Pokey-mans" at one point. Recently.

This song needs more love.
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#89225: Nov 2nd 2018 at 2:10:20 PM

I'd say Pokeymans beat DBZ honestly. tongue


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