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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89176: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:33:09 PM

Even then I don't recall GT Goku being a complete brain-dead fight-monkey so he's already a better character than Super Goku.

He kinda is though.

Like, the thing where he apparently never saw his family or friends while training Uub, and that's why Pan hates him.

Even though he also explicitly stayed on Earth the entire time.

And even went to Dende's Lookout and trained there mostly. And not even in the Time Chamber, but just the actual physical lookout.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 4:35:04 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#89177: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:33:41 PM

To be fair, Super Goku had a similar moment in the Goku Black arc.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#89178: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:36:56 PM

[up][up] He never went so far as to sand-bag at least.

Even then Super Goku took being stupid & made it really fucking stupid.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89179: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:37:57 PM

He broke Dende's home for no real reason and ditched his family.

Just rude.

He never went so far as to sand-bag at least.

Even then Super Goku took being stupid & made it really fucking stupid.

He fights multiple Shadow Dragons, in his base form as a kid, with Pan. Definition of sandbagging.

He fights the dude as strong as Majin Buu while never really going over Super Saiyan 1.

He knew Baby was around and he and Trunks tried to lure him into a false sense of security trap thing.

Even though Pan couldnt turn Super Saiyan, which their plan hinged on.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 4:43:56 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#89180: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:37:59 PM

GT was just kid Karrot stupid, so he's fine.

Also Super OP 1.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#89181: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:43:58 PM

GT at least tried to give an excuse and de-aged Goku so that's already an improvement.

Also Super Saiyan 4 > Blueper.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89182: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:45:21 PM

I mean, I like Kid Goku, but going back to an old design and making a character younger again is sorta the definition of the opposite of progress.

And I think Super Saiyan 4's ugly because of the mascara and the pants.

I'd like it more if it ditched those.

Or. Hell, just kept their shirts on until battle damaged.

The pants out of nowhere is just weird.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 4:47:35 AM

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89183: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:46:45 PM

You wouldn't guess that just by looking at her in GT, though.
You actually could, she's drawn as a small child in both height and proportions. Compare her to 16 year old Bulma or Videl.

Also wasn't there a scene where Super Goku (anime) couldn't count to five. Or something. I vaguely remember that.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Nov 1st 2018 at 1:49:00 AM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89184: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:51:35 PM

To be fair, Zen'O can't count either.

...I don't like Super Saiyan Blue, but I do like Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken, Super Saiyan God, Ultra Instinct -Omen- and.

Fuck me I even like Rosé.

I feel dirty admitting that.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 4:53:29 AM

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#89185: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:53:58 PM

[up][up]Why would you compare her to them? Don't have to be 16...

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89186: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:56:14 PM

She's 9 because in the original end of Z she's 4, and GT is 5 years later.

The English Dub of GT said GT was 10 years later, and also claimed that Pan in Z was 4 instead of 5, and that Bra (or, Bulla, which. Eh.) was 6 instead of 4.

And I think the dub did that specifically because of how much more fucking creepy it would have been otherwise.

So, I can't even fault Funimation for that. As decisions go, it was the right one to make.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 4:58:01 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#89187: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:57:07 PM

Rosé is cool because it contrasts Goku Black's outfit well and also because when he transforms Black starts using all those cool sword techniques.

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#89188: Nov 1st 2018 at 2:01:31 PM

Also another thing about GT Kid Goku that weirds me out is why he can't use instant transmission

Like, is the move restricted by age?

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89189: Nov 1st 2018 at 2:03:13 PM

[up][up][up]She's still clearly drawn as a nine year old.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89190: Nov 1st 2018 at 2:08:46 PM

She's usually taller than Kid Goku, who looks like he did when he was originally 12. So.

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#89191: Nov 1st 2018 at 2:16:15 PM

He fights multiple Shadow Dragons, in his base form as a kid, with Pan. Definition of sandbagging.

He fights the dude as strong as Majin Buu while never really going over Super Saiyan 1.

The issue with sandbagging is when they're getting their ass kicked/shown to be visibly struggling for an extended period with no logical reason why they'd still be holding back. Super is really bad about this, although it's sometimes hard to tell if this is what they're doing or just shit power scaling.

GT Goku is definitely dumber than Z Goku, but he wasn't flanderized as far as Super Goku. And as an adult (SS 4) he thankfully gets away from the stupid characterization.

What's this Goku v Goku animation?

Edited by Saiga on Nov 1st 2018 at 7:17:09 PM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89193: Nov 1st 2018 at 2:26:35 PM

Also, Marron is 9 in Super, and Trunks and Goten are 14 and 13.

Marron literally looks the same as she did at 3, but with a different dress.

Does aging just make your outfit change?

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#89194: Nov 1st 2018 at 2:34:51 PM

The funniest thing about Super Saiyan 4 is the inexplicable change in clothing.

There's this point where Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta reverts back to base form and his shirt just regrows around him. And his gloves, I think? His pants also changed color, to my recollection.

It just looked ridiculous.

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#89199: Nov 1st 2018 at 3:06:55 PM

If the wish to bring everyone but Goku and Frieza to Earth also brought Ginyu, did it also bring his old body? Is there a weird purple guy who acts like a frog somewhere?

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#89200: Nov 1st 2018 at 3:07:08 PM

To be fair, clothes spontaneously appearing and disappearing is nothing new to Dragon Ball.

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