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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89151: Nov 1st 2018 at 2:34:25 AM

In the Super manga we see a bonus panel of Ginyu's old body and his 'current' body in native clothes. Though it's not clear if that was his original form either.

His current body, at a battle power of 120,000, is pretty much stronger than anything in the universe except Freeza's family and the absolute highest gods (and Babidi's goons), so it's very likely that yes, he simply didn't find anything stronger. Do remember that Kaio, the highest god in an entire galaxy, only had a battle power of 3,500 (7,000 in bursts if he can do a rudimentary Kaio-Ken), while a typical low-class Saiyan child Oozaru at maybe a few hundred is supposed to be able to conquer the average planet single-handedly (and are so powerful that the Galactic Patrol can only kill them as untransformed babies).

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89152: Nov 1st 2018 at 3:11:18 AM

I like the idea that every body Ginyu takes becomes purple, veiny and horny.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#89153: Nov 1st 2018 at 6:10:51 AM

he's just awful at finding a stronger, better body and always has to go back to his old one?

I mean, he's in literally the third strongest body in the known galaxy (behind Frieza and Cold). Hard to blame the guy for not finding something that doesn't really exist.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89154: Nov 1st 2018 at 6:52:39 AM

I've basically always been thinking that every new body he transfers into will eventually start to look like his natural state while retaining whatever the power level was.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#89155: Nov 1st 2018 at 6:59:17 AM

I'm now trying to imagine a purple frog with horns.

It's harder than you might imagine.

This song needs more love.
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89156: Nov 1st 2018 at 7:35:42 AM

After all, Frieza never got a fifth form in any video game or other media as far as I know until Golden Frieza despite Cooler having a fifth form they could copy.

That's because Frieza transforms backwards; his fourth/final form is his real appearance. Cooler's fifth form, while very cool, goes against the very mechanics of his race's transformations.

I suppose you could say that it's an augmenting transformation, which isn't exactly contradictory, but Cooler specifically talks about it like it's a continuation of his present transformations.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89157: Nov 1st 2018 at 7:40:44 AM

...In hindsight, I forgot about the frog. So my idea doesnt make as much sense as I thought.

Maybe he has to kill his old body, but. Nothing ever indicates that so I'd just be making it up.

Dunno why I had that assumption.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 10:41:08 AM

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#89158: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:18:13 AM

So I watched the Goku vs. Goku animation.

Man, it's dumb. Like, pretty. But very, very, very dumb. With some pretty blatant favoritism to GT Goku.

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#89159: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:23:09 AM

The person making those clearly has a very concrete headcanon about the series and how it works, and their over-explaining can be jarring. That said, the fight animation is fuckin' stellar.

Goku will be a balloon in the Macy's day parade. Interesting that it's Super Saiyan Blue Goku. I wonder if Super Saiyan Blue has surpassed Super Saiyan 1 in iconic-ness.

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#89160: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:23:14 AM

I can sorta see why GT goku was put as that powerful, but that mostly involves gt bullshit explanation

I still agree there's a lot of favoritism

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#89161: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:25:24 AM

GT Goku > Super Goku.

This song needs more love.
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#89162: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:28:26 AM

It definitely feels like he sees GT Goku as the better/"true" Goku, since that's the one who's smarter/a more tactical fighter/a "true" warrior, even though GT Goku was probably the stupidest the character's ever been.

But at least I can take solace in the fact that, since GT Goku nearly died beating Mastered Goku Blue, all it would take for Ultra Instinct Omen to kill him would be to breathe in his general direction.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#89163: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:34:59 AM

I was surprised how nice the choreography and structure of the fight was, since I wasn't too hot on that in the other videos from that person I'd seen.

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#89164: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:35:39 AM

[up][up]You are like, the first person I seen who dislike GT Goku more than Super Goku

And yeah, I Don't see how GT Goku is tactical besides the afterimage he used against omega shenron to fuse with Vegeta

Edited by Fedetropes on Nov 1st 2018 at 3:36:32 PM

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89165: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:54:17 AM

I hate GT everyone significantly more than any of the characters in Super.

Like, GT Pan is a selfish and mean little brat that is manipulative and cruel and embarrassed and condescending to everyone around her. And so is Bra because that's apparently all teenage girls are in Toei's mind.

...Also, everyone tries to dress "cool" instead of like a martial artist, which, given it's the 90s instead of the 1984 Dragon Ball started in. Did not age great. At the time. As in, everyone looked tacky after a week.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 3:11:03 PM

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#89166: Nov 1st 2018 at 12:12:12 PM

GT is the worst.

Also, the lesson Super Goku learned was the same lesson he learned in the manga, and that was specifically Super manga Goku. It's more that Super manga Goku is a fucking dumbass meathead only thinking about strength.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 1st 2018 at 12:14:35 PM

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#89167: Nov 1st 2018 at 12:21:23 PM

Advantages of GT over Super

  • The opening song is leagues better than the first intro of Super. But only the first one.

  • Is a sequel, rather than an interquel.

  • I don't like how shiny everything looks in Super.

This is a complete list.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89168: Nov 1st 2018 at 12:26:29 PM

Like, in end of Z Pan is a nice kid, who likes her family and thinks it's cool, and also in End of Z Bra is, while maybe not a fighter, a friend of Pan that encourages her and cheers her on.

And GT doesn't follow on from. Literally any of that.

Do Pan and Bra even have a single scene together? I'm like 90% sure they don't have any scenes together.

Like, kids change as they grow up, I get that, but. It still doesn't exactly sit well with me to have both of these nice girls become so mean to literally everyone around them.

Like, yeah, most of the women in this franchise are mean. Except 18 who's more sort of. Stoic. Most of the time.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#89169: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:16:04 PM

Super's an interquel? To what?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#89170: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:18:35 PM

[up]

It takes place in between the end of the Buu saga and the final chapters of Z.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#89172: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:23:58 PM

Like, GT Pan is a selfish and mean little brat that is manipulative and cruel and embarrassed and condescending to everyone around her. And so is Bra because that's apparently all teenage girls are in Toei's mind.
Bra is 9...

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#89173: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:26:18 PM

You wouldn't guess that just by looking at her in GT, though.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#89174: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:28:32 PM

They still animated and wrote her like she was a teenager in those episodes of GT.

Like, I admit I have more experience with the dub, but Funi didnt change the footage where she flirted with those boys driving.

Or the footage of her doing nothing but shopping, and insulting her dad into an existential crisis.

The last of which is pretty funny, mind you. But still.

Edited by unnoun on Nov 1st 2018 at 4:31:28 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89175: Nov 1st 2018 at 1:30:20 PM

Gt Goku got an awesome "You don't touch a man's family" moment against Ice Shenron & even killed him while blind.

So that's 2 points in its favor at least.

Even then I don't recall GT Goku being a complete brain-dead fight-monkey so he's already a better character than Super Goku.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 1st 2018 at 1:30:58 AM

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