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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88926: Oct 25th 2018 at 11:21:12 PM

I liked the sparkles better when they were in SSG's aura. SSB going from small flames in the aura to a full on flame aura for manga SSBE is cool, though I still want an actual explanation on what the hell manga SSBE is.

I believe that Broly wouldn't be hyped as stronger than Jiren if it were untrue, and if Gogeta beats him anyway that would make it inconsistent with the anime but not the manga.

Jiren ended up pretty clearly being stronger than Fused Zamasu even though I recall a lot of people not expecting Fused Zamasu to be surpassed so easily. I think it's just going to be the same situation here, Broly is the next enemy so they'll hype him up even more. The fact that UI isn't likely to appear means that won't be necessary, but they might do it anyway out of tradition.

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#88927: Oct 25th 2018 at 11:43:06 PM

Super Saiyan God's sparkles barely count, since they're just tiny dots of light. Manga SSG has big sparkles, but manga SSG doesn't have an aura aside from the sparkles, if I remember correctly. The anime's SSG sparkles are also inconsistent, sometimes Goku doesn't even have them. SSB has more consistency on the little sparkles, and SSBE's sparkles feel like the natural extension of those, making them larger.

If I were to rate the Super Saiyan forms, I'd put SSB KK on top and SSBE and SSR right below it. I really love SSR's pink color and aura, I just love Super's focus on auras in general. They're much more elaborate than Z's more plain auras, and I am loving it. SSA would also be up there, since it's just Super Saiyan with a cooler aura.

UI and UIO are good, but they're kind of plain. The unique watery aura does a lot for them, but the thing really selling them is the choreography, which isn't really a visual design thing.

I like SS3's hair cape, especially when animated right. SSG's also really good, the fire aura looks nice and it actually making you skinnier is a neat touch. SSB would be below SSG. I still like it but the shade of blue is a bit strong, that said when the show wants to sell it with that choir, it works.

At the bottom would be Grade 4 and God-Like Saiyan. God-like Saiyan is just base with a white aura, which is a bit boring. I don't like the shade of yellow Grade 4 turns Super Saiyan, I think it's a bad shade of yellow that looks bad. I only like the first Super Saiyan forms when they're gold, not yellow. That said, while God-Like Saiyan on Goku and Vegeta doesn't impress me, I love God-Like Saiyan on Goku Black. The black and purple aura looks great, suits him perfectly, and works as foreshadowing for the pink of SSR.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 25th 2018 at 11:45:59 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88928: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:03:16 AM

Manga SSG does have an aura, but Vegeta uses it against Black with sparks + no aura.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#88929: Oct 26th 2018 at 12:36:53 AM

I like SS2 the most. Simple while not being lazy/unimpressive (hair a bit bigger and spikier, muscle mass upped a bit, aura more intimidating). I wish that form had stuck around as the "standard" combat form with SS3 being an unstable form that can only last a minute or two when brought out as a last resort; it would be a big deal whenever it's used. Instead Goku and Vegeta just spam SS with blue hair all throughout Super.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#88930: Oct 26th 2018 at 1:29:45 AM

It's not bigger hair...

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88931: Oct 26th 2018 at 1:34:10 AM

Don't underestimate the love of mothers.

I'm a mother, and honestly Roshi's face is probably the second best thing about him. He doesnt have a bad face in terms of cheeks and shape and everything.

His expressions he makes with that face are a problem sometimes.

And his worst trait is definitely the nonconsensual peeping, groping, and the threatened or implied rape. No question.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#88932: Oct 26th 2018 at 1:49:04 AM

Among other things.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88933: Oct 26th 2018 at 3:46:50 AM

Anyway, I wouldnt mind if I never see the Mastered Ultra Instinct form again, but I hope Ultra Instinct -Sign- comes back and becomes a mainstay because it's cooler to me.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#88934: Oct 26th 2018 at 4:46:03 AM

MUI just doesn't look cool enough...maybe if it stuck to not changing the hair color.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88935: Oct 26th 2018 at 5:36:43 AM

I feel like a way to let things get stronger while keeping Beerus as a limit is just to say that Beerus started getting serious about training again.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88936: Oct 26th 2018 at 7:14:30 AM

It would be nice to see some progression with Beerus, and not have him be a stagnant power cap.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88937: Oct 26th 2018 at 7:25:47 AM

Like, Beerus's face when he sees Goku's mastered Ultra Instinct. That mix of pride in him, admiration, gratefulness, anger and jealousy.

Beerus woke up in the first place because he wanted a rival. Goku may not have Mastered Ultra Instinct anymore, but for a brief moment he did surpass Beerus.

...I dunno if it's ever actually explicitly said that Beerus has given up in his training; though I'm pretty sure it's all but stated that Champa already has.

But Beerus always seems to be either eating or napping. And for all that Whis is supposedly Beerus's teacher we never actually see them in that capacity together.

Even when Whis restrains Beerus or knocks him out that seems more like the "minder/babysitter" side of his role as Attendant.

But if Beerus has been slacking, Mastered Ultra Instinct is the thing I would make his wake-up call.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 26th 2018 at 10:26:44 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#88938: Oct 26th 2018 at 7:30:29 AM

It would be nice to see some progression with Beerus, and not have him be a stagnant power cap.

True. And with the other GODS of Destruction in play, Toriyama has already set up characters that are stronger than Beerus to continue the Serial Escalation.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88939: Oct 26th 2018 at 7:47:40 AM

So, is it just me, or does some of the Angel stuff seem to have a theme of childishness and innocence? Or is this just obvious and already been talked about to death?

Like, the Zenos are little brats, who get along with the brain damaged and childish Goku.

The Grand Priest is the father of the angels and looks like a kid or teenager or tween, half Whis's height, and Cus, who is apparently the oldest of the Angel siblings, looks like a little girl.

Like, do Angels age backwards?

EDIT: Also, is it wrong that I like/prefer the thing in the Funimation dub where Zamala made the Super Dragon Balls and is Super Shenron instead of them being separate characters?

Like, that might be inaccurate, sure. But. Super Shenron is a lazy name when Shenron and Porunga have names.

And the idea that the biggest baddest Dragon God is the one that made the first Dragon Balls because he wanted to be summoned is neat to me?

And its not clear if the Dragons exist or are alive when they aren't summoned or if they predate their Dragon Balls being created or not.

But there could be the implication that maybe Zamala created himself, and I like that as a thing a god can do? Paradoxes.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 26th 2018 at 11:12:39 AM

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#88940: Oct 26th 2018 at 8:34:42 AM

... Shouldn't Zamala be a Namekian though?

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Oct 26th 2018 at 10:35:01 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#88941: Oct 26th 2018 at 8:45:30 AM

[up][up]I prefer Zalama being the dragon too but I think in a later dub episode they did call him Super Shenron. Though I guess you could argue that was Goku being Goku.

Edited by Moth13 on Oct 26th 2018 at 11:46:34 AM

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#88942: Oct 26th 2018 at 8:50:56 AM

[up][up]There's no hard evidence that he was a namekian of any kind.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#88943: Oct 26th 2018 at 8:51:15 AM

Going back a couple pages to Android 20 being a weaker energy absorption model... that actually makes sense to me.

What really lets the Z Fighters punch above their weight are ki attacks. Raditz was stronger than Piccolo and Goku, but the Special Beam Cannon let them kill him. Vegeta was stronger than Goku, but the Kamehameha and Spirit Bomb basically brought him down (along with Gohan Great Ape, but that won't be an issue). Not to mention the Tri-Beam and Destructo Disk.

And the thing is, this choice usually gets brought up in the same breath as "why did he make the Androids so ridiculously powerful if he wasn't expecting such power boosts?" As in 19 and 20, barring something completely unforeseen (like, say, two characters fulfilling an ancient legend on another planet, a time-traveler who has done the same IN THE FU-CHER, and the devil being an alien who fused with another alien), the energy absorption model is plenty overkill. Unless the Z Fighters, like they do, managed to have a beam technique that lets them punch way above their weight. So going with the energy absorption thing shuts that down.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88944: Oct 26th 2018 at 8:52:04 AM

[up][up][up][up] The Super Dragon Balls explicitly predate the Namekian ones, and I think the Namekian ones are even said to be made of bits of the Super ones.

...Which raises the question of where the hell Kami got pieces of either the Super ones or the Namekian ones.

Dont get me wrong, it does make sense to me that you can take a splinter or chip or shard of one and then sorta carve it or polish it until it's round again.

It would be time consuming, but it ain't like the slugs have anything better to do.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 26th 2018 at 12:03:22 PM

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#88945: Oct 26th 2018 at 9:32:07 AM

It makes you wonder why Gero never invested time in brainwashing his creations so they wouldn't turn on him.

But i'm pretty sure he did that with Future 17 and 18. They still backstabbed him but now they hated humanity.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#88946: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:15:55 AM

At this point, Gero not being able to control the vast majority of his creations is just a thing.

I don't think there's a reason for it...or rather there are many reason, but none of them matter in the grand scheme of things.

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#88947: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:16:31 AM

Also, is it wrong that I like/prefer the thing in the Funimation dub where Zamala made the Super Dragon Balls and is Super Shenron instead of them being separate characters?

I prefer that too. It's also what the manga goes with, so I'm inclined to think it's just canon. I like the idea that there was this super god-dragon half the size of a universe just kind of flying around the greater cosmos one day, bored, and he decided to create the Super Dragon Balls just so that he could have a convenient place to nap and if anyone needed his power they could just gather them and summon him.

I also like that he explicitly patented the design with the stars that look the same when seen from any angle, which means he would probably be pissed off at the existence of the Namekian and Earth Dragon Balls. Those damn Namekians stole his design!

It also means that we don't have to worry about there being some Super Dragon Ball creator out there who could show up at any minute and completely derail the plot. Wrapping up the Super Dragon Balls in a neat little self-contained bow is good, and it also allows for the possibility of Zalama being a proactive character with his own personality in future story arcs, which is cool, since I like his design and size.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 26th 2018 at 11:17:58 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88948: Oct 26th 2018 at 4:26:09 PM

I also prefer Zalama being Super Shenron. I dislike the idea of it not having a unique name + being so clearly based on Earth's Dragon Balls in both name and the one-year recharge time, despite the fact that Porunga came first and the recharge time should be based off the planet the balls were created on.

The balls' recharge time should have been based on a year on the Gods' calendar, since it's been established that they have different units of time.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#88949: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:20:06 PM

IIRC, wasn't Kaioken colorless in the manga, and it being red was a thing the anime added and later reprints used?

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#88950: Oct 27th 2018 at 8:00:05 PM

Apparently, a piece of promotional material (an info card inside a cracker) implies that the reason Bulma is collecting the Dragon Balls in the new movie is to wish to regain her youth. See, we joke about Bulma being a villain, but this is literally a King Piccolo move.


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