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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#88826: Oct 25th 2018 at 10:15:35 AM

[up]He also can't tell the difference between androids (jinzouningen) and cyborgs (kaizouningen).

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88827: Oct 25th 2018 at 10:18:55 AM

...Huh. I'd always heard those were the same word.

Also, like, what do terminators count as? Because I thought that the terminators that look human had actual human skin on them. And hair. Even eyeballs. So they can pass DNA and retina and print scans. Infiltration.

What about something made out of corpses like Eighter seems to be? Frankenstein's Monster?

Okay, so. Were the androids in the Android 13 movie designed by Toriyama? Not the writing, or any character concepts, but. He drew Broly, I'm pretty sure. The original design.

I feel like a way to get a Gero's 2nd Computer/Android 21 Arc to actually work is to just. Do it as Androids 13, 14 and 15. Maybe 10, 11 and 12 too.

...Hell, a Commander Red Android 9 could be hilarious.

If you need mooks, more Androids can replace the clones and most of the dead villains.

Maybe they gather the Dragon Balls and resurrect Cell so 21 can eat him.

Tell him that they need him to achieve a true, even more perfect state.

Cell assumes that means Gero has something to make him stronger, but all along Gero wanted to use Cell to power up a different Android.

...I think its mentioned in the game that Gero wanted to use the link system to put his soul in other androids or something, so.

I dunno, maybe retcon or ignore the Super version of Resurrection F and just have Frog!Ginyu in a lab somewhere for Gero to be experimenting with souls and soul transfers.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 25th 2018 at 1:27:10 PM

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#88828: Oct 25th 2018 at 10:53:54 AM

Yeah, they could have had Gero still be in the game by activating the androids, by both of them pretending to want to work for him and were later planning to betray him. Sensing they were going to backstab him, Cell could have been introduce where he would be released to absorb both of them and to get his revenge on Goku and the others. Maybe eventually even Cell would backstab him, since he thinks he shouldn't take orders from an old man.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#88829: Oct 25th 2018 at 11:05:42 AM

[up][up]terminators are androids, like 16, and 19. they are robots with human appearance. cyborgs are humans who have been modified with robot parts like 17,18, and gero. my guess is gero just didnt want to have to deal with starting a new naming system.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#88830: Oct 25th 2018 at 11:15:49 AM

Okay, so. Were the androids in the Android 13 movie designed by Toriyama? Not the writing, or any character concepts, but. He drew Broly, I'm pretty sure. The original design.

Yep. I think he drew all the movie villains.

And yeah, I think the best thing to do for an Android 21 arc would be to cut most of the villain resurrections besides 16 and Cell. And also bring Gero back to reunite the whole family.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#88831: Oct 25th 2018 at 11:21:32 AM

And he can already shut down two of the good guys with a remote control (He probably knows how to rebuilt it) so it's a matter of how can he kill Goku and take over earth.

And then Namek. Because that planet screwed him over a lot.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#88832: Oct 25th 2018 at 12:23:13 PM

And also Frieza would be around if he doesn't get axed in the Broly movie.

The legend has returned.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#88833: Oct 25th 2018 at 12:41:52 PM

The biggest thing I'm taking away from Heroes is that Nappa will still have hair in Dragon Ball Super: Broly, further proving the fan theory that he's going bald in the Saiyan Saga because Nappa is just starting to become an elderly Saiyan.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 25th 2018 at 12:42:55 PM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88834: Oct 25th 2018 at 12:44:50 PM

I've known some guys with the male pattern baldness gene who started losing their hair in their 20s, so with that in mind, even if Nappa (who according to the Dragon Ball timeline on the wiki is 59 chronologically in the Saiyan Saga at the oldest) is only in his Saiyan 30s. I can still dig it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#88835: Oct 25th 2018 at 12:54:58 PM

Nah, I like the idea that Nappa was wrecking everyone while also being old enough to complain about kids these days.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88836: Oct 25th 2018 at 1:19:31 PM

He still could, as the oldest living Saiyan other than Paragus.

Raditz Vegeta and Kakarot were, what, 20s or 30s?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88837: Oct 25th 2018 at 2:04:14 PM

@unnoun None of those points about Gero were really correct

He didn't think that Goku wouldn't grow, he had estimated growth based on what Goku had done so far and didn't think he'd have any more massive leaps in power. No-one could have predicted the Namek arc power scaling.

Piccolo had never shown telepathy in the manga prior to that point. Even if he had, how would Gero even know? His spy bugs wouldn't be able to pick that up.

Suppressing power is one thing, but what Piccolo is talking about ('explosively' increasing their power at the moment of their attack) is a concept only introduced in the Namek arc. And it had Gohan and Kuririn dumbfounded when it was introduced. Since Gero didn't know about that, he didn't know Piccolo's power could increase so much.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88838: Oct 25th 2018 at 2:56:04 PM

So, there's discussion about Toriyama's forgetfulness (which is exaggerated), and I've found myself asking a key question about his decision to just not bother bringing Launch back:

Was he right? It was said that he didn't use her again because he assumed fans completely forgot about her and thus there was no point in bringing her back in.

Was he right? Was Japan just like Launch who? Had they forgotten her, or was he making assumptions?

I'm actually really curious as to whether we know how accurate his assumption was.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88839: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:20:12 PM

It wouldn't matter either way. In which case, I'd say yes.

Too bad he couldn't do that with more characters.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88840: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:24:50 PM

Ouch. Tell us how you really feel why dontcha.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#88841: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:27:01 PM

@Saiga: Sometimes I get the impression that you just stone cold hate any character who doesn't have saiyan blood.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88842: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:29:06 PM

What an asinine thing to say. I don't get as hung up on heritage as most people seem to.

I didn't even mention race than.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#88843: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:29:44 PM

I feel bad for Launch's VA. Imagine losing your job because the writer forgot your character existed and the studio that cranks out filler episodes by the dozen can't be fucked to include your character in some scenes to throw you a bone.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88844: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:31:00 PM

Literally neither of those things are true

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#88845: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:40:25 PM

I didn't even mention race than.

I assume that statement is based off your history of posting, not just that one post in a vacuum.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#88846: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:47:31 PM

I know that Launch when she is not paired with Tien. She will often be romantically involved with Radtiz in AU's where he goes good.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88847: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:51:11 PM

I mean, in absolute fairness, at least Krillin had a point as a character even outside power levels.

Tien just doesnt really work as comic relief.

Except when he does.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88848: Oct 25th 2018 at 3:59:45 PM

Any character could be funny under the right circumstances.

But Toriyama has his style, and maybe it doesn't work with Tien's serious personality.

His willingness to go outside his comfort zone seems to vary. On the one hand, characters get shunted to he background quite quickly sometimes once he's done with them, but on the other hand, he gave Vegeta one of the best arcs in the series despite disliking him (allegedly).

And then there's the Gohan thing. He did try for years, but ultimately went back on everything he did and rolled Goku back into the protagonist slot.

I think it's just some stuff clicks, some stuff doesn't.

One Strip! One Strip!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#88849: Oct 25th 2018 at 4:02:47 PM

[up][up]Okay, super serious Tien blasting King Kai with the bad joke was genuinely pretty funny.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88850: Oct 25th 2018 at 4:12:20 PM

I assume that statement is based off your history of posting, not just that one post in a vacuum.

I'm aware, it's just an asinine thing to say. Especiaply to bring up race in a conversation that wasn't about it.

[up][up] I'm sure it's preference. Toriyama has shown that he can use serious characters as comic relief, as he does with Piccolo and Vegeta. The exact same style of jokes could work with Ten, which is probably part of the issue - he already has straight men to work with.

Edited by Saiga on Oct 25th 2018 at 9:14:28 PM


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