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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#88776: Oct 23rd 2018 at 6:10:28 PM

[up][up] Dragon Ball in a nutshell

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#88777: Oct 23rd 2018 at 6:12:00 PM

Despite being excited to fight Vegeta, I can't recall him being terribly eager to fight the Ginyu Force, Frieza, the Androids, or Cell. He tried to spare the former two multiple times and never treated the Androids as fun opponents.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#88778: Oct 23rd 2018 at 6:14:53 PM

This is what Toriyama wanted

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#88779: Oct 23rd 2018 at 6:16:51 PM

But he did prefer training over going directly after Gero.

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#88780: Oct 23rd 2018 at 6:18:53 PM

We're never given a reason in story to not take his reasoning at face value, so we take it at face value.
That's just it though. The scene can be interpreted two ways, but Super and Toriyama's recent interviews have heavily slanted one interpretation against the other. My point was that Goku being an enormous Jerkass in Super and Word of God isn't actually contradicted anywhere in the manga, it just casts some of his actions in a different light within the same story.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#88781: Oct 23rd 2018 at 6:35:29 PM

And that's why I keep saying what an author says (especially years after the fact) and what they actually write might not be the same thing.

Feel free to interpret Goku staying dead that way, but I won't, because nothing in the actual work supports it. And if that is how Toriyama wanted it to be interpreted he did a shit job making it come across that way.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 23rd 2018 at 8:36:38 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#88782: Oct 23rd 2018 at 6:56:23 PM

To be fair, Goku's current characterization would probably qualify under that as well.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#88783: Oct 23rd 2018 at 7:00:24 PM

And like, I don't even necessarily have a problem believing that Goku would like to stay dead to fight people in Other World. I just don't buy that he wouldn't just say that, and instead would make up some excuse that we're supposed to think doesn't make sense, but all the other characters are apparently too stupid to pick holes in, and the entire thing is played straight.

That's what I have trouble believing, and no attention is ever drawn to make us think that's what was happening, therefor I think we're supposed to think that Goku's real reasons were what he said they were.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 23rd 2018 at 9:01:51 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88784: Oct 23rd 2018 at 7:01:55 PM

He DID say that, so the idea that he was excuses doesn't really work

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#88785: Oct 23rd 2018 at 7:03:12 PM

I know he said it, but Kamiccolo has been talking like Goku would think he'd need an excuse beyond that for some reason.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 23rd 2018 at 9:03:24 AM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88786: Oct 23rd 2018 at 7:38:49 PM

Toriyama's Goku isnt smart or deep or complex enough to come up with excuses.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 23rd 2018 at 12:15:42 PM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#88787: Oct 23rd 2018 at 11:03:16 PM

after watching super, I started to consider Goten was conceived when Goku was bedridden from his heart stuff and that made chi-chi want another kid before he died again.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88788: Oct 23rd 2018 at 11:15:30 PM

[up][up][up] Oh I know, I wasn't contradicting you.

Goku is pretty open about the fact that he is looking forward to meeting the various masters in the afterlife, so it doesn't make sense to say he made up an excuse to cover for that.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88789: Oct 24th 2018 at 5:31:10 AM

I mean, the idea that Goku is always selfish is ridiculous, because, one of my favorite Goku moments is when he finds Turtle and immediately wants to help him, just because Turtle needs help.

And, best part, Goku also has to be convinced that Turtles don't taste good.

Goku doesn't go around looking for wrongs to right. That's why I ultimately like the ending of Super and Freeza coming back. I honestly believe that if Freeza just decides to leave Earth alone, or at least so long as he and Goku don't cross paths and Goku never directly learns about Freeza's continued evildoing, or meets any of his victims, Freeza and Goku can just coexist in Universe 7 and never meet again. Goku might not even think about Freeza unless it's brought up to him.

But if someone in front of him needs help, and he can understand it and provide that help, Goku will step up to it. That's the character Goku is to me.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 24th 2018 at 8:52:24 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#88790: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:12:23 AM

That should be the most consistent part of his character.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88791: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:32:08 AM

Gohan is the one more likely to be a hero of justice, to go out of his way looking for people to help, and.

In some sense, fighting might not be the way to help people he's best at.

There's like five years between Majunior and Raditz, a year between Raditz and tge Saiyans, then a year between Freeza and Freeza (plus 8 months because of two summons of Porunga maybe?) then three years between Freeza and Gero, then fucking 7 years between Cell and Buu. Then about, 4 between Buu and Beerus, then a year between Beerus and Freeza.

Yeah, maybe Gohan could have become even stronger and protected the world from everything if he kept training all the time constantly, or he could be like Tien who does nothing but train and seems to only accomplish making his shoulders bigger.

Realistically, odds are he might be better using the time better doing sciencey things. In terms of people helped to time spent.

...Especially with his dad the training addict around. I will be honest that the 7 years after the Cell Games are slightly harder to justify in my head. When he specifically agreed and promised about it and everything.

Also, I read the S Cells interview and what the fuck.

My inner biologist is crying.

EDIT: Also, does anyone think/hope that the Broly movie will show lil' Kakarot on Earth, in his Saiyan armor, and attacking Gohan with the intent to kill? Showing off what a "wild" child he was?

Also, I don't know much about Superman, did he ever try to fucking murder the Kents when he was found?

Did the Bardock special have that? No, it didn't Kakarot was just a sweet giggly little babbu

Babies are helpless.

Baby Kakarot is a lot more innocent and nice seeming in the fucking Bardock special than he ever seems in Jaco and therefore Minus.

In Jaco, Kakarot attacked Gohan, Gohan kicked his ass, and then decided to take him in and feed him anyway.

I dunno when the brain damage happens. Not right then I think. Maybe it took a few weeks or something.

Either way.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 24th 2018 at 3:16:19 PM

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#88792: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:23:25 PM

after watching super, I started to consider Goten was conceived when Goku was bedridden from his heart stuff and that made chi-chi want another kid before he died again.

Well, considering Goku was near death and barely conscious at this time, that'd be exceptionally fucked.

It's a lot healthier for their relationship to assume they had a baby during the seven-day period before the Cell Games.

Gohan is the one more likely to be a hero of justice

But he IS a hero of justice. tongue

Edited by Hobgoblin on Oct 24th 2018 at 12:24:33 PM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88793: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:26:09 PM

I mean, I feel like strain on the heart was probably not something Goku needed then.

Just getting an erection involves blood pressure and heart stuff.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#88795: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:35:00 PM

Why do people want Chi Chi and Kakarotto to have sex?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#88797: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:39:52 PM

You put carrots in rice?

Edited by randomness4 on Oct 24th 2018 at 12:40:44 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88798: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:41:30 PM

That seems to go together.

Also pretty sure Chi-Chi mounting Goku while he's in such a vulnerable state is rape.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88799: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:43:29 PM

I mean, he's unconscious, so yeah. No consent.

Them fucking when he's in the iron lung after Vegeta would be less rapey. Because he's conscious.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 24th 2018 at 3:44:18 PM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#88800: Oct 24th 2018 at 12:47:38 PM

How low can ya go?

Topic limbo.

Edited by randomness4 on Oct 24th 2018 at 12:47:56 PM

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