This is true. Most transformations happen super fast (with maybe Kamen Rider and Super Sentai being the most notable exceptions, and that's mostly the build-up to the actual change).
Only Diaboromon / Diablomon is fast enough to catch you in mid change.
Hell, I'd argue that they deserved to get blown up for letting it take place in real time. That's asking for an ass whupping.
One Strip! One Strip!There is literally one time in the manga where someone not attacking during a transformation comes off as weird: Gohan standing still while Buu absorbs Gotenks and turns into Buutenks. And even that can be handwaved by shock. As for the other instances of transformations...
All SS transformations: there is no delay in the manga, they just happen in an instant.
Young Piccolo: Chaozu and Ten try to stop it, so Piccolo just kills the former.
Oozaru Vegeta: Goku had no energy left. He could barely move and didn't stand a chance even if Vegeta didn't transform.
Monster Zarbon: transformation is really quick both times, only takes a panel.
Second form Freeza: ditto. Also, Vegeta specifically asked him to transform because he thought Freeza only did so as a means of conserving energy. Thus letting him go to full power would actually be advantageous.
Third form Freeza: again, too quick.
Fourth form Freeza: no one could stop him even if they wanted to, he was essentially invincible and was only transforming to show off. Which is good because this is the first transformation that explicitly takes a noticeable amount of time in universe.
Buff Freeza: Goku acknowledges that he could just wipe out base Freeza immediately (Trunks later demonstrates this), but wants to let him go to 100% to show him that Goku would still kick his ass. Which he does. It's not like it's hard to tell how strong he'll end up given how many times Freeza said he was at 50%.
Second form Cell: seems to happen before anyone has processed it.
Perfect Cell: Trunks actually tries to attack him, it just doesn't do anything because even mid-transformation Cell is much stronger than him (a similar thing happens with Vegeta in the first Broly movie incidentally).
Buff Cell: Gohan lets him do it for much the same reasons as Goku let Freeza transform.
Super Buu: no one is strong enough to butt in on Buu vs Buu in the first place.
Gotenks: Buu didn't even know what fusion was and wanted to have a fun fight.
Gotenks 2: Buu let him be formed and then distracted him as part of a plan to absorb him and overcome Gohan.
Buuhan: Goku isn't powerful enough to stop Buuccolo, even if he tried. Gohan was his only hope.
Vegetto: Buu actually does try to stop them, he's just too late.
Kid Buu: Goku and Vegeta have no motivation to stop Buu's transformation, it was making him weaker.
I was gonna say that maybe Freeza is as bad at percentages as he is at minutes, but given the entire Tournament of Power was apparently 48 minutes, maybe time in Dragon Ball is just that fucked.
Like, a fair amount of Dragon Ball is standing around and talking. I don't think power level can make you talk faster. Or, at least, I don't want to believe that.
Edited by unnoun on Oct 19th 2018 at 5:26:24 AM
I could swear there's still bits of the manga where we cut to people commenting on the fight, or the characters bantering verbally and, if you actually time out how long the dialogue takes, it's too fucking long.
Thought bubbles being instantaneous I buy, speech bubbles no.
Otherwise you get the characters motormouthing through the dialogue until they're out of breath and it's not dramatic just silly and pathetic and lame.
Speed racer comes to mind.
Edited by unnoun on Oct 19th 2018 at 5:51:37 AM
Yeah but they don't have 19 episodes worth of speech bubbles.
It's also worth noting that the time between Freeza setting off the detonation and the actual detonation of Namek is longer than 5 minutes, he admits that his initial estimation is off.
I've seen people do estimates of how long the dialogue would take, it's definitely more than 5 minutes but hard to estimate. Cutaways are even harder to estimate since they should be happening at the same time as other events we see.
Whereas, the manga version of the TOP is nearing its end at 7.5 chapters long. That ones much more reasonably paced.
Fuck it, I started rambling and having thoughts in the fanfic thread
relevant to the main series. Gonna copy/paste here, want some input or. I dunno, people to see it.
...So the new Broly movie might explain it, but I cant tell how old Bardock, Vegeta Sr., Gine, or Paragus are supposed to be?
In the original Broly movie, Paragus mentioned Bardock and seemed to know (of) him, and according to the Supplemental Daizenshu Paragus would have been Bardock's superior? So. I dunno, maybe Paragus was older?
There's multiple references to Vegeta Sr. being the instigator of the war on the Tuffles, but there's no clear timeline on when that was. Or how old he was. Or even how old he was when he had our Vegeta.
...Actually, wait, I'm wrong. According to the wiki
, the Tuffle war was Age 720-730. Nappa was born in Age 703-712. Freeza annexed the Saiyans in Age 731, our Vegeta is born Age 732, and Goku is born in Age 736.
That's. Did they make that up? Where the fuck did they get that shit?
Also when the fuck was Raditz born.
...I like to think Nappa is bald because he's so old he's started losing his hair. It contradicts the "Saiyan hair never changes from the day they're born" thing but, I still really like it.
Nappa having to play babysitter to Raditz and Vegeta, the latter of whom was stronger than him even as a kid is a great thing to think about. Especially since, in his own way, Nappa is almost the most "moral" of the Saiyans in the Saiyan Saga. With his sense of camaraderie and loyalty. And Raditz resorts to a lot of tricks of the sort that Nappa seems to look down on. And Vegeta's a teamkilling complete and utter bastard.
Nappa being stressed the hell out by these nasty, disloyal and dishonorable little brats. Is honestly a little great.
Of course, Saiyan aging being what it is, it's weird if he's only 59 at the oldest. It's thought that the maximum potential lifespan of a human body is about ~125 ish. And I want Saiyans to have the same actual lifespan as a human, they just mature and stay in their prime differently.
Goku doesnt start to look his age until he's, what, 17 or 18? And in the end of Z, Vegeta is...
Okay, so, Goku meets Uub in Age 784, so chronologically Vegeta is 52. And he spent two years in the time chamber in Z, and three in Super, making him 57. Older than Nappa's youngest possible age, and only two years below the oldest.
I dont think I like this timeline. Mucking up the headcanons I enjoy.
In Dragon Ball Online, Age 801 is when Goku and Vegeta have their last fight, specifically because age is catching up, when Goku would be chronologically 65? But he spent 8 years dead that dont count physiologically, but also 1 plus 3 years in the time chamber, so. 61?
That's. Hmm.
Vegeta would be. 73? And he still wants to fight Kakarot to the death? When Kakarot is worried about being too old, to fight?
Did Bulma put her sweet prince on a drug cocktail of arthritis meds or something?
Also, like. Being closer to higher gravity decreases the rate time passes for you. Gravity is a force that bends space-time. So Vegeta might be younger in the sense of having experienced less time.
...Or older by experiencing more time- y'know what, I'm not a physicist, but I know gravity does weird shit to time, and Vegeta uses that Gravity chamber a bunch.
I think it's that the closer you are to higher gravity the less time passes for you in the same "absolute" time.
If Vegeta is in the gravity room for exactly an hour, he can power it down and step outside and for everyone else it's been. I dunno, more than an hour. Not a physicist, dont know the exact equations.
Although maybe Bulma, inventor of the time machine, could make some sorta time dilator or counter dilator? Time contractor? Time compressor?
I'm probably thinking way more about the physics than anyone else ever has.
Seriously, though, what are the space-time implications of Dragon Ball's gravity training?
Huh. I never realized that. It does make sense.
So the Barrier was in the manga too I take it.
One Strip! One Strip!Found some more Heroes info
Looks like Universe Mission 5 will have 3 campaign card sets:
Saiyan Blood Set:
- SSB Prison Planet Goku
- SSB Prison Planet Vegeta
- SS Prison Planet Trunks
- Ultimate Gohan
- SS Gotenks
- Super Vegetto
- SS Cumber
- SS3 Xeno Bardock
Scouter Set:
- SSB Prison Planet Goku
- SSB Prison Planet Vegeta
- SSB Prison Planet Trunks
- Xeno Goten
- Xeno Gohan
Movie Set:
- King Gourmet
- Lucifer
- Movie 3 Tao Pai-Pai
- Garlic Jr.
- Dr. Wheelo
- Turles
- Lord Slug
- Final Form Cooler
- Meta-Cooler (Base, Core)
- Super 13
- Broly
- Bojack
- LSS Broly
- Bio-Broly (Base, Giant)
- Super Janemba
- Tapion (Base, Hirudegarn Awakens)
- Movie 17 Eighter
- Beerus
- Golden Frieza
- BR Broly
Interestingly enough, this is the first time Eighter, Lucifer and King Gourmet have been playable in Heroes.
Edited by Rinsankajugin on Oct 19th 2018 at 2:52:30 PM

Combined with the fact that Rou was stated be worried cause he did not know were to find strong fighters in his universe.
Edited by Envyus on Oct 18th 2018 at 9:02:47 AM