But guys, now he is a Park Ranger!
I think people are happy that 17 came back because he was very underutilized. Like most of the cast really. That and the possibility of him becoming another regular supporting character. That's always fine.
Now, will we see his family at some point? Or is that a lie he invented and he just went insane believing himself to be 16 instead?
And going "Okay, he was chill.... but now he's more chill" as "expanded" characterization is....
There was also when he faced off against Imperfect Cell and did the Vegeta finger pointing(tm) right before he got his ass kicked, and him declaring that he was stronger than 16 when activating him.
Anyway, I don't really want to do a deep dive analysis on the different types of chill that exist in the world, suffice to say that his character feels different and more interesting to me.
Edited by Moth13 on Oct 18th 2018 at 9:08:23 AM
I mean, I don't get the sense that it was strict pragmatism though.
17 went with what was most fun. Stealing a car or van or going on a joyride through the woods.
Even when fighting was a thing 17 liked, it wasn't the only or best thing to him. Otherwise he could have just flown to Goku's house to get to fighting faster.
He interrupted the power up because it was boring and there were other fun things he could be doing.
Like beating the fuck out of poachers.
Or annoying his sister.
Or his wife.
Edited by unnoun on Oct 18th 2018 at 9:18:11 AM
I mean. I guess I don't view "not being pragmatic" as an inviolable character trait?
I never saw 17 as someone against pragmatism for the sake of being against pragmatism; as if he was offended by the very concept.
I saw him as, fundamentally, a hedonist. He did what he wanted, when he wanted, because he wanted it, to have a good time.
The magical girls powering up was boring to him. Piccolo powering up back in the Androids Saga wasn't.
I mean, I imagine part of it is just that, back in the Androids Saga he thought he was the strongest being, and now he knows he's not. Before he could show off and be the strongest ever, now he has other priorities.
Like. I think part of 17's character is that he's kind of a bully? He likes fighting when he's stronger than the one he's fighting. It's why he was the way he was in the Android Saga, and why he likes beating up poachers.
In fairness. The poachers do deserve it. But still.
He's not in it for the sake of fighting, he's in it for the sense of superiority and confidence of overpowering someone.
Which isnt to say he cant fight a stronger person, he just doesnt enjoy it as much.
Yes.
Edited by unnoun on Oct 18th 2018 at 9:41:17 AM
See, I'll agree that it was dumb, but I still kinda liked it because attacking during the transformation is so damned rare.
And while Goku getting in his face over it is dumb, I did find it funny how everyone else (Toppo included) was pissed about it.
It's like hitting hitting a Wrestler in the middle of their catch phrase: it's just dirty pool.
One Strip! One Strip!In fairness. The poachers do deserve it. But still.
He's not in it for the sake of fighting, he's in it for the sense of superiority and confidence of overpowering someone.
Edited by Kamiccolo on Oct 18th 2018 at 7:20:21 AM
I loved 17 and 18's whole shared character arc in the Tournament of Power. They had a whole thing about how they feel love for their loved ones but they also feel disconnected from normal humans and they have a hard time being open and honest with anyone besides each other. Their big moments in the tournament are linked to feeling human and showing their emotions and drawing from them for strength.
As someone with Asperger's, I related to that struggle, and I loved how well it was portrayed.
It's kinda funny when you consider that in the past 18 was a lot more serious and stoic than her brother. In Super it's the inverse, 18 is a lot more emotional than 17.
Of course, she had the advantage of being around the supporting cast so we did see how she warmed up to her friends. It must be strange for her considering she was originally programmed to kill Goku only to eventually become like an honorary sister-in-law to Goku
Edited by fasoman1996 on Oct 18th 2018 at 11:37:27 AM
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