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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88201: Oct 15th 2018 at 6:28:51 PM

Roshi probably just has more ki than he did with King Piccolo.

Anyway.

I can imagine Gotenks showboating himself out of bounds or not paying attention to the rules easier than I can a lot of other characters.

Gotenks literally pretended to have no chance and be losing because it'd be more dramatic that way.

Say what you like about the humans, they don't usually job on purpose.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88202: Oct 15th 2018 at 6:28:55 PM

[up][up][up] From a meta perspective, that's fair. But I think the narrative should be criticized for that.

I believe if the manga had continued past the Boo arc Toriyama would have used Goten and Trunks more. I think the aversion to using them is due to the later decision to focus really hard on Goku and Vegeta, as well as Super's new focus on nostalgia and old characters. The latter definitely wasn't present in the original run, but the former might've been inevitable after the decision to switch back to Goku as protagonist.

[up] The odds of that are far lower than with the humans.

At his very worst, Gotenks achieves nothing of value. That is guaranteed to happen with the humans

Edited by Saiga on Oct 15th 2018 at 11:32:19 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88203: Oct 15th 2018 at 6:31:58 PM

[up][up] Though say what you will about the Saiyan’s it doesn’t take a finger flick to knock them out.

Man I wish those kids would age at least a little bit.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 15th 2018 at 6:32:36 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#88204: Oct 15th 2018 at 6:35:58 PM

The Saiyan biology is the flimsy excuse they have.

Although it doesn't make much sense considering that Gohan and Future Trunks aged normally. Hell, Present Trunks is currently the same age as his future self was when training under Gohan

Uni cat
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88205: Oct 15th 2018 at 7:01:31 PM

Present Trunks has the potential to be stronger than Future Trunks considering he achieved Super Saiyan at the age of 8, whereas Future him didn't pull it off until much later despite having far more need of it.

We're never gonna see that potential.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88206: Oct 15th 2018 at 7:36:30 PM

We don't know how young Future Trunks turned Super Saiyan in the manga. I don't think it's meant to be a different age to his present counterpart.

Interestingly, the Super manga might support this by future Trunks being aware that his present counterpart can already turn Super Saiyan.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88207: Oct 15th 2018 at 7:47:42 PM

Oh right. I forgot that age 8 is just when he first reveals he can go Super Saiyan to his dad.

Hmm...how young could he have been?

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#88208: Oct 15th 2018 at 7:50:28 PM

The only reason Buu didn't kill Gotenks 5 times over when they were messing around is that he's just as dumb as they are. That makes for a hilarious fight, but also makes it a bad idea to bring them to a tournament against people fighting for survival.

And again, messing about didn't actually change the outcome of that fight. The first 25 minutes of their fusion was irrelevant to the last 5, if they'd gone all out from the start, they'd still only have 5 minutes to try to defeat Boo and we saw that just wasn't enough for them.

I'm pretty sure that's not how math works.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#88209: Oct 15th 2018 at 7:58:15 PM

I would have loved if in Super there was an episode where Present Trunks invites Future Trunks to hang out with his friends. Goten, Marron, the Pilaf Gang, you name it.

It would really be interesting to see how an alternate version of him is close friend with people that never were born in his timeline

Uni cat
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88210: Oct 15th 2018 at 7:59:30 PM

Holy fuck Future Trunks never did meet Goten did he? surprised

Jesus fucking Christ now that’s a wasted opportunity.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 15th 2018 at 7:59:39 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#88211: Oct 15th 2018 at 7:59:40 PM

[up][up][up]Seeing how killing wasn't allowed, that actually doesn't factor in at all, though.

Like, you can say "they've acted irresponsibly in the past" but you could say that about half the people on the team, at least, easily. Many of those same people were still on the team simply because their power made up for it.

There's really no compelling in-story reason to say that Roshi and Tien should have been chosen over Trunks and Goten. Which leaves us with the real reason: nostalgia.

Which I still find strange, I'd figure there would be more appeal in actually demonstrating growth for the people who have their whole lives ahead of them, rather than giving spotlight to someone whose time has already come and gone.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 15th 2018 at 10:13:05 AM

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#88212: Oct 15th 2018 at 8:27:47 PM

I love Future Trunks

Should have done more with his visit with Gohan and fuck, seconding not meeting Goten being a waste

Goku Black arc may be tedious and melodramatic in all the wrong ways but that scene where Gohan is brought by Piccolo to say good bye and Future Trunks sees his version of Gohan for a second and breaks down in tears

Got me in my goddamn heart

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#88213: Oct 15th 2018 at 8:31:05 PM

Everyone always says that Trunks not meeting Goten was a waste but I can't imagine a scenario where he meets Goten and his reaction is anything more than "Goku had another kid? Neat."

Edited by LordVatek on Oct 15th 2018 at 11:31:35 AM

This song needs more love.
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#88214: Oct 15th 2018 at 8:35:28 PM

You know what was a missed opportunity at least? Trunks telling everyone how he prevented Majin Buu from awakening, only to look over and see Majin Buu casually hanging out with everyone.

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#88215: Oct 15th 2018 at 8:35:56 PM

Then again he wouldn’t know what he’d look like

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#88217: Oct 15th 2018 at 8:37:38 PM

If Future Trunks met Goten, Goten would probably over how Trunks got his own adult version while he didn't.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#88218: Oct 15th 2018 at 8:40:04 PM

[up][up][up] Well, that sort of happened with 18.

I don't know why he was scared after seeing her because the last time Trunks saw 18 she was awkwardly "flirting" with Krillin. What, did he think she went and became a Park Ranger too? tongue

Real talk, seeing 18 might have kicked in some form of PTSD. He has had enough of Android for an entire lifetime.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Oct 15th 2018 at 12:41:07 PM

Uni cat
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88219: Oct 15th 2018 at 8:41:54 PM

I'm pretty sure that's not how math works.

It is explicitly how Super Saiyan 3 interacts with fusion. You use SS 3, you got 5 minutes left, thems the rules.

Also, again, the fact that Boo might've killed Gotenks in those 25 minutes doesn't make him a worse choice than the people Boo killed in a span of seconds.

Like I said: the worst case scenario for Gotenks is no worse than the guaranteed result of using the humans.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88220: Oct 15th 2018 at 10:09:42 PM

To note, Future Trunks and Goten did meet, they just didn't do anything together. Future Trunks at least knew who he was by the time he left.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#88221: Oct 16th 2018 at 3:17:26 AM

I don't think Gotenks would've been much help in the tournament, and the humans did end up being useful. Krillin saved one of his teammates from ring-out and defeated two opponents. Roshi took out two fighters from U4 who would've been a pain in the ass for the rest of his team, one of whom was U4's team captain and had the ability to constantly grow stronger with time. Tenshinhan helped defeat an opponent who was pinning down Gohan and Piccolo.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88222: Oct 16th 2018 at 4:14:53 AM

That's because Super completely suspended logic to give moments to the humours. We're talking about a hypothetical, in-universe perspective ie. one that actually makes sense.

No opponent that could be taken out by the humans would even be relevant for the other characters by the original work's logic.

Besides, the anime is only one continuity of Super.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#88223: Oct 16th 2018 at 4:55:22 AM

You know, at this point we're just throwing around hypotheticals with no concrete evidence.

For all Toriyama cares, he could just feel the kids are weaker than the human adults because that's what he wants.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#88224: Oct 16th 2018 at 5:02:24 AM

I'd call them more unreliable than weak.

Hey, at least Anime Krillin's one thing he did is save the one teammate that would eventually do the same with other teammate that won the tournament.

You go Krillin!

Uni cat
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#88225: Oct 16th 2018 at 5:08:04 AM

We never will really know the boys' usefulness because Toriyama doesn't care to ever use them lol.

Ironically, they're in the same positions that the humans are in despite being Saiyans, go figure

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Oct 16th 2018 at 8:08:31 AM

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