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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#88151: Oct 14th 2018 at 5:55:07 PM

I'm still curious if there's some way for Saiyans to tell if other Saiyans are old. Caulifla was able to identify Goku's age and call him grandpa within a few minutes of knowing him, so maybe other Saiyans can just tell these things.

Also, Paragus is probably pushing 90, considering he's a Saiyan who actually looks old.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#88152: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:07:19 PM

So freeza IS the villain

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#88153: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:13:16 PM

What a shock. The most evil Dragon Ball villain out there is also the bad guy in this.

The legend has returned.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#88154: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:16:36 PM

It's almost like bringing him back to life was a BAD idea. But what the fuck do I know.

The plot seems pretty easy to guess from this point; Freeza manipulates Paragus and Broly to fight for him under the guise of "revenge" against Vegeta, but conveniently leaving out that he blew up Vegeta. Now whether Paragus subscribes to revenge before reason or he gets killed by Freeza after finding out the truth remains to be seen.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#88155: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:28:13 PM

I wonder if Broly fights Freeza when they first meet or later when he finds out the truth.

Also this movie seems like a good time for Freeza to reveal Beerus's role in Vegeta's destruction.

Edited by Jedi1113 on Oct 14th 2018 at 9:29:16 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#88156: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:31:43 PM

Oh yeah. I don't think Beerus is going to live through this one. Broly or Vegeta are going to kill him.

The legend has returned.
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#88157: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:41:28 PM

That sounds like it would cause more harm than good. Beerus is a dick but if he is gone, what would be of Shin and U7?

Uni cat
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88158: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:44:23 PM

Well we’d have to pick a new Destroyer.

Though Beerus is the worst Destroyer on payroll so it shouldn’t be too hard to find someone better than him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#88159: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:46:07 PM

>No El Hermano de Jiren

>No Gohan Blanco

>No Tio de Broly (Calvo) (Inteligente)

DROPPED.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#88160: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:47:20 PM

That's because El Grande Padre murdered El Tio Calvo back in the Bio-Broly

Rumours say Shaggy Blanco might become the new U7 Destroyer

Uni cat
LLSmoothJ (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#88161: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:56:16 PM

To go back on the "Goku finally...!" line for a sec.

I watch a video where the idea was mentioned and I think it could be possible, but it could mean that Goku finally puts on the blue Gi and we finally move on to "End of Z."

As for Berus' role in Planet Vegeta's destruction. That has the potential to be one of the most interesting plot points in the film, but I doubt they'll do something with it.

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#88162: Oct 14th 2018 at 6:58:36 PM

For non-spoiler comment, it says that the flashbacks are set 41 years in the past. Per the official timeline, Vegeta's destruction occurred in Age 739. Meaning the movie takes place in late 780. This confirms that six years (and probably some months) have passed since Buu.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#88163: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:01:02 PM

So Goku and Broly were 3 and Vegeta supposedly is the same age as them, even though he should be older.

I think it checks out.

Uni cat
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88164: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:18:06 PM

The spoilers make it sound like 41 years is when Vegeta is born, not when Vegeta exiles Broly or when Vegeta is destroyed.

It's hard to tell what timeframe this is all happening in.

@unnoun Roshi's old as fuck but he was also spending his days reading porn by the beachside. We don't know what kind of experiences he had outside Daimao and the tournaments. Goku's dealt with both of those, and unlike Roshi his experiences have gone beyond Earth, involving aliens, the afterlife, and other universes. Roshi has nothing on his experience.

Still, Roshi having more wisdom or experience could still work if that actually was part of his character. But Roshi had already admitted that he had nothing left to teach his students back at the 23rd Budokai, and they hadn't even reached space or the afterlife yet. Which is why I wonder how long Toyotarou wants us to believe Roshi had this for, if it's a recent thing he discovered after getting back into training it works a lot better than him just having it all along.

It's similar to Roshi's motovation in the anime, which while on paper seems like a touching sentiment it completely flies in the face of his (much better) original character arc by having him call bullshit on the idea that he can pass the torch on and accept that his time has been.

To make it worse, Toei can't even execute their shitty idea properly. Despite having Roshi declare that he won't accept his limits and quit, he then proceeds to accept his limits and in his next focus episode. They also wrote themselves into a corner by declaring that it would be terrible for the character to retire when that's almost certainly what they're going to do with him moving forward.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#88165: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:25:00 PM

Despite having Roshi declare that he won't accept his limits and quit, he then proceeds to accept his limits and quit in his next focus episode.

He dropped out because he was literally about to die. That's not the same thing as giving up on improving himself.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88166: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:26:59 PM

Like something as minor as death ever stopped anyone. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#88167: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:34:35 PM

Retirement isn't for everyone, but that doesn't mean it has to be sad. There's nothing shameful or wrong with going "I had a good run, I want to see how other people ride."

And everyone has limits, there's nothing wrong with accepting that. Though that gets a bit harder to accept, I guess, with the way Super upped the power scaling even more (while simultaneously somehow not showing it off very well).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88168: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:44:33 PM

They should have just used Yamcha.

Give him some time to finally shine, instead of ignoring Roshi's previous statement of retirement and forcing him back into action that should be well out of his weight class.

Of course, Yamcha would have been eliminated instantly, because that's what Toriyama does, but he'd have still made more sense.

As would Goten and or (Kid) Trunks.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 14th 2018 at 10:01:58 AM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88169: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:56:12 PM

[up][up][up][up] And when he refused to give up he literally almost died, it's really not different.

[up] Trying to have Yamcha shine is a horrible idea. They could just not make irrelevant characters shine.

Edited by Saiga on Oct 15th 2018 at 12:57:32 AM

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#88170: Oct 14th 2018 at 7:59:57 PM

You're right. Trying to make Yamcha relevant is a bad idea because they'd likely fail miserably.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#88171: Oct 14th 2018 at 8:19:25 PM

I'd only accept Yamcha in the Tournament of Power if we also got to learn that Dr. Rota's secret power was to latch onto people and self-destruct.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88172: Oct 14th 2018 at 9:04:02 PM

[up][up][up]

The sad part is I agree with you completely. That is why I said they should have used Goten and Trunks. I've argued both for and against them (and I still think putting them in is questionable, since Gotenks is a massive fuck up, and his best move not only still isn't good enough, but burns up his fusion massively), but they'd probably be capable of more than Yamcha.

[up]You sir, need your ass kicked.

...The sad part is, you're probably right.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#88173: Oct 14th 2018 at 11:01:14 PM

Super Saiyan 3 may not be enough for the God tier enemies, but neither are any of the things the alternative options bring to the table.

Gotenks really hasn't been a fuck up like you're saying. Like yeah he goofed around against Boo, but the first 25 minutes of his fusion are irrelevant since he only has 5 minutes in Super Saiyan 3 regardless of whether he uses it off the bat or not. Once he actually used 3, he beat Boo within an inch of life - 5 minutes just wasn't enough to finish the job, even when he went all out.

He doesn't need SS 3 to be better than the other options. Hell, the boys don't even need fusion period to be better than the other options. They don't even need Super Saiyan.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#88174: Oct 15th 2018 at 2:42:31 AM

Nah, clearly the humans are stronger than Gotenks, did you see their respective performances against base form Goku and base form Googeta? Gotenks got rekt while the humans actually put up a fight.

Fedetropes Call me Blast, not Fedetropes from Doomed universe Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Call me Blast, not Fedetropes
#88175: Oct 15th 2018 at 3:55:14 AM

[up]...it's that a joke post? Because I don't remember ever seeing base Gogeta do something or even appear in super

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