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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#88026: Oct 10th 2018 at 12:04:18 PM

Tien wanted to test himself, Piccolo seemed willing to go along with whatever, Krillin and Yamcha, I think were against but decided to train anyway.

Goku wanted to fight, obviously, and Vegeta explicitly threatens anyone who'd try and stop them from being unleashed.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88027: Oct 10th 2018 at 12:07:39 PM

I know Vegeta wanted to find Gero, but I think I remember it mostly being Krillin and Trunks who were explicitly trying to stop 20 from waking up the others.

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#88028: Oct 10th 2018 at 12:31:38 PM

Vegeta wanted to challenge the Androids, he lost horribly to 18 and now he is salty about having getting his butt handed to him by the Androids.

"Mai waifu."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#88029: Oct 10th 2018 at 1:37:01 PM

Nobody argued about stopping Gero from waking up 18 & 17...it already happened by the time they got there...

They also tried to stop him from running away before they even knew about the others...

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#88030: Oct 10th 2018 at 1:38:30 PM

The difference is that when Trunks warned them at first, they thought they would be able to prepare enough to win since they had 3 whole years of warning beforehand. When the Androids were an immediate threat, they tried to stop them because they were an immediate threat.

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#88031: Oct 10th 2018 at 1:38:55 PM

Today i realized that maybe Vegeta letting Cell become perfect is revenge by proxy.

Huh.

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#88032: Oct 10th 2018 at 1:56:17 PM

Nope. Vegeta completely forgets about people after he surpasses them.

Huh, fair point on that, I had never actually thought of it like that. If you want to be generous, I guess you could say actually seeing Gero's and 19's destruction first hand and realizing that the real androids were going to be way stronger might have changed perspective.

But that's an if, not a given.

But that's exactly what happens. Goku's out of commission, so he can't influence things, Vegeta still doesn't want to stop things and Ten realizes he can't keep up. So the only one to change their is Piccolo, and he does so because Trunks urges him to do so.

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#88033: Oct 10th 2018 at 2:01:01 PM

But they were under the impression that the Androids were already stronger to begin with.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#88034: Oct 10th 2018 at 2:10:56 PM

Wow Manga-Jiren is such an asshole too.

He didn't even try to help Toppo & Dyspo. He just shot them a look of utter contempt & let them fall to their elimination without lifting a finger to help.

Fucking cold man. sad

Also how come going out of bounds fixes your clothes & wounds?

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 10th 2018 at 2:20:27 AM

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#88035: Oct 10th 2018 at 2:12:26 PM

Well, he's an asshole to them in the Anime too. So it's consistent at least :V

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88036: Oct 10th 2018 at 2:39:59 PM

So I feel like a thing about Dragon Ball Minus that gets. I dunno, forgotten? Is that it's basically a bonus chapter to Jaco the Galactic Patrolman.

And I might be alone, but Jaco might be one of my favorite parts of Dragon Ball now.

The underlying gag is that it's the shaggiest of shaggy dog stories. The shittiest member of the already kinda shitty Galactic Patrol has one job and he fucks it up.

And, best of all, him fucking up is possibly the best result.

It makes all of Dragon Ball this cavalcade of fuck-ups and failures and incompetence from beginning to end, and I kinda love it.

With the Bardock Special, there's a sense of pathos there? Of, like, of course, Bardock saw the future, Goku will avenge them and save the universe and it's destiny and all that. There's tragedy there. But also seriousness. Drama.

Like, there's a saying about how Tragedy and Comedy are basically the same genre and that's sort of true to an extent, but. Jaco the Galactic Patrolman goes past Comedy and right into Farce.

...I'm pretty sure Gine's last line in Dragon Ball Minus is "watch out for the Galactic Patrol" and to me that's sorta definitive. Because Kakarot and Jaco never see each other until Kakarot is Goku, 30 or so years after the fact.

I find it hilarious as a gag.

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#88037: Oct 10th 2018 at 2:55:38 PM

One has to wonder who is the less dumb character in the show.

Not a saiyan that's for sure

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88038: Oct 10th 2018 at 3:00:39 PM

"Watch out for the Galactic Patrol" is basically the punchline for Dragon Ball Minus.

Minus itself comes at the very end, after the last chapter of Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, and after seeing what a bumbling and useless waste of space Jaco is, we then have Gine having to warn her son about him.

Because apparently that's what Kakarot should be scared of. Not the dangers of Earth, or Freeza finding he's escaped. But Jaco.

It's legitimately funny to me.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#88039: Oct 10th 2018 at 3:15:51 PM

The underlying gag is that it's the shaggiest of shaggy dog stories. The shittiest member of the already kinda shitty Galactic Patrol has one job and he fucks it up.

And, best of all, him fucking up is possibly the best result.

It makes all of Dragon Ball this cavalcade of fuck-ups and failures and incompetence from beginning to end, and I kinda love it.

Heh. When you look at it that way, there is a sort of dark humour to it.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88040: Oct 10th 2018 at 3:22:42 PM

I've sorta stopped complaining about the characters making stupid decisions because no, it's actually an established part of the story that literally everyone is an idiot.

From now on, I'm only going to complain if the characters aren't being stupid enough.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#88041: Oct 10th 2018 at 3:24:59 PM

I only complain if the characters are being stupid in a way that doesn't fit them.

Like Super having Goku constantly drop his guard for no reason or keep holding back even when getting his ass kicked.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#88042: Oct 10th 2018 at 3:28:42 PM

I mean, part of me likes the idea of, for example, Vegeta and Raditz only surviving because Vegeta's just a little asshole.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 10th 2018 at 6:29:27 AM

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#88043: Oct 10th 2018 at 3:29:49 PM

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kn83 Since: Dec, 2010
#88044: Oct 10th 2018 at 4:10:18 PM

There wasn't much (if any) dumb decision making in the King Piccolo, Saiyan and Namek arcs. Surprisingly, other than Goku forgetting the seal for the Mafuba, there isn't much bad decision making in the Super anime either. Its only in the Android and Pre-Piccolo DB arcs where we see characters grabbing the Idiot Ball just to move the plot. Even the bad choices in the Buu arc were at least in character.

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#88045: Oct 10th 2018 at 6:03:44 PM

I like to think that Freeza's race is just that, and King Cold was really lazy so he named his son after their race.

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#88046: Oct 10th 2018 at 6:37:25 PM

Is Cold another case of the Raditz syndrome?

A seemingly important character to the lore of the franchise is unceremoniously killed off and forgotten.

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#88047: Oct 10th 2018 at 6:41:18 PM

King Cold was never important, nor is he treated with any reverence.

Whereas Raditz was Goku's brother, one of the last remaining saiyans, and the entire introduction to Z. I mean, relatively speaking Raditz proved to be unimportant. But he could have been important.

Edited by EpicBleye on Oct 10th 2018 at 9:41:43 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#88048: Oct 10th 2018 at 6:59:12 PM

Raditz could have been, but he wasn't.

That's how it goes sometimes.

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#88049: Oct 10th 2018 at 7:00:39 PM

"Introduction to Z" is a meaningless term. There is no Z in the original story, it's an adaptational branding choice included solely for marketing purposes. Raditz just showed up without fanfare a week after Piccolo was beaten.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Oct 10th 2018 at 7:00:31 AM

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#88050: Oct 10th 2018 at 7:04:29 PM

[up]Given how many people around the world saw the anime before the manga, I'd say that "introduction to Z" is not a meaningless phrase, but I see your point.

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