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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#87876: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:23:30 PM

Why do people dislike the Crying thing?

What is wrong with it, it's the best thing about him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87877: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:27:20 PM

[up][up] Eh mileage may vary on that.

I didn’t really find any of the stuff that happened in him in the last episodes very well-written.

Broly was simple as Hell sure but at least ya got all that he was, Jiren was an inconsistent mess.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 7th 2018 at 9:31:41 AM

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#87878: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:30:21 PM

Manga Jiren > shit > most Super characters > Anime Jiren

Edited by Kamiccolo on Oct 7th 2018 at 9:29:53 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#87879: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:34:21 PM

Manga Jiren is just as much of an asshole as anime Jiren.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87880: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:34:56 PM

But he has such an amazing ass.

Seriously it’s like two ripe peaches ya can just sink your teeth into. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 7th 2018 at 9:34:52 AM

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#87881: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:36:12 PM

[up][up]Manga Jiren did literally nothing wrong, ever.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#87882: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:41:08 PM

Manga Jiren has a better introduction scene, and that's it. Everything else he's done or said has either been exactly the same as anime Jiren or worse.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#87883: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:41:27 PM

[up][up]

Unless you count deliberately letting his teammates get eliminated because he thought they'd be in the way.

We all know that you can do better than "hates Goku because he cried a lot as a baby"

To be fair, all of us have complained about Japanese Goku's voice.

Now imagine having to hear that for hours non stop like Broly did when he was just trying to get some sleep. You'd wanna beat the shit out of the other guy too.tongue

The whole being left to die on an exploding planet probably didn't help his negative Goku stance either.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:40:56 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87885: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:43:36 PM

But again the ass.

Only a real hero has an ass that fine.

Just look at Dick Grayson, dude’s got a name for each of his cheeks. tongue

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#87886: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:47:24 PM

[up][up][up] That's a dub induced plot hole then.

That's not enough of a justification for Vic Mignogna's destroyed throat tongue

Edited by fasoman1996 on Oct 7th 2018 at 1:46:50 PM

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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#87887: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:47:34 PM

Unless you count deliberately letting his teammates get eliminated because he thought they'd be in the way.
He was right. If they were too weak to jump, they were too weak to do anything to the galaxy-busters on the stage.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#87888: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:53:41 PM

Saying Jiren is better than Old!Broly really isn't saying much, Damned by Faint Praise basically. They're both terribly written characters but Broly at least has an interesting background that just wasn't utilized at all.

Jiren doesn't really have much to him beyond the cliche "Loner that only relies on his strength" archetype seen in every other Shonen.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#87889: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:55:03 PM

And I'd go as far as to say that Anime Jiren's backstory is worse than Broly's.

Edit: Though, that reminds me, have they gotten to Jiren's backstory in the manga? If so, is it the same as the anime, or different in any way?

Edited by LSBK on Oct 7th 2018 at 11:56:04 AM

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#87890: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:02:59 PM

We haven't gotten to Jiren's backstory yet, but he has mentioned having a master.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#87891: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:08:28 PM

I like the idea of Jiren's backstory, but the way it and his subsequent personality were executed was awful. A lot of the potential for foiling him with Goku or even just plain building him up as a character plain didn't happen, and the backstory dump only combined with the generic "I'm obsessed with being strong!" bit to make him really rather bland.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#87892: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:10:33 PM

Broly is easily one of the most well-developed DBZ movie villains.

Yeah yeah, Damned by Faint Praise, but still.

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#87893: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:19:07 PM

To be fair, Broly didn't rip off an existing villain. Ok ok, he was ripping off an already established concept but that was miles better than other movie villains like Slug or Janemba.

Too bad he was tripe the stupid. But having Maximum power has to have a drawback right?

Uni cat
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#87894: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:26:00 PM

Jiren's backstory isn't really bad so much as it is generic, and even then it has the fun twist of "and then the same villain who murdered his family also decimated the team he made to avenge his family".

Also, Jiren's whole breakdown and character arc fighting UI Goku was great, that was fantastic. The parallels between Jiren fighting to preserve his worldview of being a loner while Goku is fighting for the lives of his friends and is summoning up more stamina and determination out of their support was great, as well as Jiren's little mental breakdown when he was confronted with the truth and the wall between them finally shattering in the final episode.

If Jiren was given more characterization early on and his character was ironed out better, he could've easily been one of the best Dragon Ball antagonists, since the story they told with him was definitely a strong story from a thematic point of view. It just needed a bit more work put into it.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:33:44 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#87895: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:29:37 PM

[up][up]"Better" than Janempa...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#87896: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:39:27 PM

[up][up]That's a twist? That sounds fairly generic to me as well. Even then, being generic isn't necessarily bad, but it was painfully clear they weren't even trying with Jiren. It's made worse that nothing in the backstory actually explains how Jiren was able to get so strong, just why he was so focused on strength.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 7th 2018 at 12:56:29 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#87897: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:52:33 PM

I mean, I've certainly never seen that particular twist before. It'd be like if Batman formed the Bat-Family to hunt down Joe Chill and Joe Chill still kicked their asses. If you can think of an instance where that type of thing happened, go ahead, tell me.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#87898: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:53:32 PM

i take it you've never read comic books, then

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87899: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:55:00 PM

Even then it’s not very..... striking.

Like it doesn’t really add much aside from just more bodies to the evil-doers kill-count.

Huh I think I saw a similar situation in Vinland Saga.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:55:16 AM

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#87900: Oct 7th 2018 at 10:57:28 PM

Future Trunks has both his father and mentor killed by the androids.


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