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Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#87826: Oct 5th 2018 at 6:28:40 PM

Well in the case of Buu, the original Buu who committed all those killings split into two beings, with two different souls (Super/Kid Buu with one and Fat Buu with the other). So the redeemed Buu technically isn't the same guy, even if he has much the same personality and all his memories.

In the case of Piccolo, as improbable as it is there's no confirmation that he actually killed so much as a single non-evil person (his father obviously did though, but saying he's responsible for that is like saying Uub is responsible for Super/Kid Buu's acts). With the Androids, you could probably blame 18 for that truck driver Vegeta killed. She probably could've slapped that small ki blast out of the way instead of jumping out of its path and letting the civilian take it.

Edited by Kamiccolo on Oct 5th 2018 at 6:29:46 AM

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#87827: Oct 5th 2018 at 6:52:54 PM

Piccolo killed Goku and Raditz. If we are being technical, that's more kills than Android 17 (who only really killed Gero) and Android 18 (who killed no one)

And if we are using that metric, Goku dwarfs all three of them since he killed an entire organization, freaky demonic aliens and grandpa Gohan.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#87828: Oct 5th 2018 at 7:00:48 PM

Huh...Goku was never seen as a child in the manga...so this movie isn't a complete retcon...fucking Toei.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87829: Oct 5th 2018 at 7:32:37 PM

It's weird how people have to keep bringing that up...

It seems like something hardcover fans would already know...

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#87830: Oct 5th 2018 at 7:49:53 PM

Though now I'm curious, is there a line in the manga that says how long Goku knew Grandpa Gohan for?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87831: Oct 5th 2018 at 8:26:27 PM

Unless Roshi telling Karrot how he was found isn't in the manga, that's probably a lot more vague.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#87832: Oct 5th 2018 at 8:48:24 PM

Toriyama abusing the fuck out of Loophole Abuse lol.

As for why fans tend to not remember; let's keep in mind that the Anime is easily way more known across the globe than the manga, so it's understandable people just took whatever it did as canon.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#87833: Oct 5th 2018 at 8:57:03 PM

This fact, combined with all of the misinformation that's still out there, lead to very few people actually understanding Dragon Ball. Even today, a lot of what people think they know about Dragon Ball is wrong.

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#87834: Oct 5th 2018 at 9:00:26 PM

WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU KNEW WAS WRONG ALL ALONG.

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#87835: Oct 5th 2018 at 9:01:08 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87836: Oct 5th 2018 at 9:03:50 PM

I wonder what the DB cast would like if they were possessed by Venom.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#87837: Oct 5th 2018 at 9:17:30 PM

I think it's hilarious that Cell has killed less people than Vegeta yet he was evil to the end yet it was Vegeta who got the redemption. Hell, even if he ultimately chooses to be bad Cell has a bit more of an excuse than Vegeta in that he was created to be killing machine while Vegeta was merely raised in a culture of space pirates. There's also the parallel with Piccolo in that both were born to kill their creator's arch-enemy and do wicked things, but Ma Junior softened up while Cell just became more of a prick. Also while Android 17 and 18 prove they aren't set in stone, Cell proves he's the exception to that. Dude really plays the Shadow Archetype role of prior villains to a T

Kamiccolo Since: May, 2018
#87838: Oct 5th 2018 at 9:25:22 PM

Huh...Goku was never seen as a child in the manga...
Raditz still mentioned that he was an infant, so 4-year-old able-bodied toddler Goku is still a case of Minus/the movie being wrong.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#87839: Oct 5th 2018 at 9:37:03 PM

Seeing how the amount of people you kill wouldn't affect how evil a person is, that literally doesn't matter.

It only affects how okay you are with killing in general...depending on the person it would make one want to kill less.

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#87840: Oct 6th 2018 at 4:02:29 AM

How slow do you think Super Saiyan Grade 3 is? We know it's slower than Grade 3's strength would indicate, but how much slower is it? Is it slower than Grade 2? Super Saiyan 1? Base?

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#87841: Oct 6th 2018 at 4:28:47 AM

Considering that it's considered worse than grade 2, grade 3 being slower than it should be a given, otherwise even equal or a slight increase in speed would make it better than grade 2 and Vegeta would have gone for it.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87842: Oct 6th 2018 at 4:54:13 AM

Trunks says Gohan "did it right, increased his power without sacrificing speed" so I headcanon/imagine that Grade 3 is as strong as Super Saiyan 2.

And since he says "sacrificing speed" like.

I think it might (?) be slower than base form or something?

Unless he's comparing it to Super Saiyan 1. As ascensions to that.

Edited by unnoun on Oct 6th 2018 at 8:00:06 AM

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#87843: Oct 6th 2018 at 6:01:16 AM

I headcanon that Grade 3 is half as fast as Super Saiyan 1, only slightly faster than Kaioken x20, but it's a question that's really so up in the air that there are no truly wrong answers. Except for it being as fast or faster than Grade 2, I agree that wouldn't be enough of a detriment for Vegeta to not use it.

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#87844: Oct 6th 2018 at 6:20:04 AM

On Vegeta's an Asshole

I think the best illustration that Vegeta is a monster compared to Nappa whose just a professional Killer

Is that Filler episode where they stop on that bug planet...

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#87845: Oct 6th 2018 at 7:25:21 AM

Do we know if this Broly was born strong, or if he only got that way by training really hard?

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#87846: Oct 6th 2018 at 7:49:27 AM

Wasn't the original Broly born stronger than King Vegeta?

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#87847: Oct 6th 2018 at 8:01:49 AM

Yes, and that's why I said "this Broly".

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#87848: Oct 6th 2018 at 9:13:46 AM

[up][up]No. He was born at 10,000...

Which "should" be lower...and also not have let him live.

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#87849: Oct 6th 2018 at 9:13:49 AM

[up][up] It seems that this time, King Vegeta was worried that Broly would be stronger than his son and promptly sent Broly to a remote planet.

I have a question regarding Cell. If he were to come back, can he still absorb 17 and 18? It doesn't look like he needs to but that question always lingered, especially because Perfecter Cell came back Perfect for some reason

Edited by fasoman1996 on Oct 6th 2018 at 1:13:43 PM

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#87850: Oct 6th 2018 at 9:59:47 AM

Some of the spin-off and what-if plotlines over the years have shown Perfect Cell with the ability to extend his tail and absorb things if he wants to, but how "canon" you want to consider that is up to you.

If you accept that, then he probably could re-absorb them... but why he would is another question, if he's already "perfect".


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