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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#87751: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:17:38 PM

Bardock is a beloved character, some say he even dwarfs Broly in popularity. And their fans like how he was portrayed.

That enough is a huge point against Minus and this movie. Remember that, besides being stupid, Episode of Bardock is almost universally reviled for how the character of Bardock was bothched.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Oct 4th 2018 at 12:17:37 PM

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#87752: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:17:45 PM

We did learn one thing and that is Gine was the one that brought home the Bacon evil grin

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87753: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:18:28 PM

[up] Heh good one. [tup] [lol]

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87754: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:22:12 PM

[up][up][up]Character, but...otherwise nothing.

Maybe I just don't get it.

I do get this though, so there's that.

Edited by randomness4 on Oct 4th 2018 at 8:23:43 AM

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fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#87755: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:23:58 PM

Well, if you never cared about Bardock then it's not a big loss.

I see people being more mad at making Goku have a less unique backstory

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87756: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:25:00 PM

I never cared about Bardock, but I honestly cannot tell the difference.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87757: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:26:14 PM

Usually a character's backstory defines them...just enough so that it actually matters when you learn about it.

I'd saying learning where Karrot comes from matters more than just learning the circumstances of him being sent to Earth.

Earth = E

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87758: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:51:54 PM

I admit that I will be disappointed if Bardock and Freeza's confrontation gets retconned.

But that's about as far as it goes, frankly.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#87759: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:52:49 PM

You know what really confuses me about Minus' existence though? Toriyama straight up said that he loved Father of Goku to the point of making a scene from it canon to the manga.

Then he wrote something completely different to retcon it.

Like regardless of which one is better, that is a weird chain of events.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87760: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:53:54 PM

Toriyama has a couple screws loose that’s for sure.

I think all those years crunching while doing manga has finally took their toll on him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87761: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:55:25 PM

I definitely agree on the animation.

So far I think this is the best Dragon Ball has ever looked.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#87762: Oct 4th 2018 at 8:55:57 PM

Toriyama often forgets some characters exist. I can buy him just disregarding the OVA and changing for something else.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87763: Oct 4th 2018 at 9:00:15 PM

Like.

It looks fucking good.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87764: Oct 4th 2018 at 9:00:19 PM

None of that.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87765: Oct 4th 2018 at 9:10:31 PM

Question, how much of the Bardock special did people even care about besides Bardock yelling at Freeza in the atmosphere and then dying in the Supernova?

Because that's the part that I see the most of, and hear people talking about most.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#87766: Oct 4th 2018 at 9:22:16 PM

[up]I mean the whole thing was good and just generally better than Minus. I liked subversions like Goku living through sheer chance, Dodoria of all characters being one of the strongest characters shown, and Bardock not caring about his children at all.

Personally, while I'm not happy they're going with Jor-El Bardock, there is the chance that this movie will tell the story better so I'm withholding complete judgement until then.

Edited by LordVatek on Oct 4th 2018 at 12:23:22 PM

This song needs more love.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#87767: Oct 4th 2018 at 9:24:58 PM

I like how much of a dirty fighter Bardock is here.

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#87768: Oct 4th 2018 at 9:29:23 PM

The original Bardock special was good. Then they just made him Goku-lite in everything after, which is weak.

Also, I think someone mentioned the Saiyan Armor shown in the past is the newer model shown in Super?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87769: Oct 4th 2018 at 9:36:43 PM

It’s amusing how back then dubs had a tendency to replace the original music tracks.

It’s why I tend to associate DBZ with Metal.

Panthera helps with that a lot. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2018 at 9:36:10 AM

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#87770: Oct 4th 2018 at 9:40:17 PM

Toriyama said that he loved Father of Goku in an interview talking about Minus. He clearly wasn't writing Minus with intent to "destroy" Father of Goku in any way. Given how it was advertised, as the introduction of Gine, Minus was pretty clearly meant to just be supplemental material alongside Father of Goku, with the events of Father of Goku still mostly being canon.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#87771: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:07:54 PM

Yeah, but he changed a lot.

Toriyama just does his own thing. That's how he's always been.

He wanted to do a Bardock story his way rather than the way Toei did it, so he did.

I'll admit: my issue is mostly the Gine thing. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the first important pure blooded female saiyan being weak and a housewife is not a good way to start showing female Saiyans.

For a guy who doesn't care for supposedly soft women, he sure did exactly that.

One Strip! One Strip!
Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#87772: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:42:04 PM

I heard that one of Bardock's teammates from the special was seen in one of the shots of the trailer, so maybe they still have a chance of appearing in some way?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87773: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:58:13 PM

[up][up]What's the point in retelling a story if it's gonna be mostly the same...?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87774: Oct 5th 2018 at 2:57:13 AM

making it beautiful with this gorgeous fucking artwork

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#87775: Oct 5th 2018 at 3:58:03 AM

[up]x4

It's not much of an issue now that we've gotten more female Saiyans and their both fighters.

Plus it made sense to me that some saying would work at a meat factory or whatever, considering how much Saiyans eat.

That all said, i hope Selypa is still around.

Edited by Cortez on Oct 5th 2018 at 7:01:21 AM


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