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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#87651: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:43:35 AM

[up][up][up] It is the EXACT SAME SITUATION.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#87652: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:43:44 AM

You're making some borderline gibberish defensive comments. Like comparing two utterly incomparable things to just saying everyone who doesn't like it is a teenager.

Stop while you're ahead.

Edited by Larkmarn on Oct 4th 2018 at 1:44:05 PM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#87653: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:44:57 AM

No I get what they're saying.

Dr. Flappe was the creator of Android 8 prior to Dr. Gero being created just like how Goku wasn't a complete rip-off of Superman prior to Minus being written.

I would argue that it's false equivalence, but I get the logic.

Edited by LordVatek on Oct 4th 2018 at 1:47:38 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87654: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:46:27 AM

[up][up]That would be the reverse of what happened...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87655: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:46:40 AM

[up][up][up][up] Yes they are, Batman for one only ended up the person he is because of his origin.

Goku was born the runt of the litter, basically unloved & unwanted for being weak, & when sent to the Earth where he could die their reaction was "Eh something good will come out of it".

That's what makes it special for him to reject his Saiyan heritage, he's rejecting the right bastards who never did anything for him, especially his asshole dad.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2018 at 10:46:18 AM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87656: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:48:48 AM

Except he didn't know about his heritage until one decided to show up and force him to do something bad.

He rejected his heritage because of that, not because of what happened to him.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#87657: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:52:57 AM

Larkmarn, you are getting me wrong.

The teenager parallel was to people getting angered at Bardock "suddenly" not being canon, and therefore being wrong (well, mostly was a response to this comment). I never said "disliking the change means you are a teenager".

slimcoder, you are reading too much into a shonen series whose author made up as he went, while forgetting about characters.

Bardock was always filler. Trying to base the meaning of Dragon Ball onto a piece of filler will backfire sooner or later.

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#87658: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:55:22 AM

Since when Goku discards his saiyan heritage? He clearly has all the quirks that every single saiyan in the series has shown or worse.

And i see he is very proud of his saiyan powers

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87659: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:58:34 AM

Having genetic traits is irrelevant to the idea of accepting his heritage.

He doesn't accept the things he's told about how saiya-jins act or what they do.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87660: Oct 4th 2018 at 10:59:15 AM

[up][up][up] So I'm basically not supposed to care about it or what they do.

Lovely.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2018 at 11:01:52 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87661: Oct 4th 2018 at 11:03:12 AM

Uh, they were gonna use Minus stuff regardless weren't they?

The only thing worth caring about now that you know that is if they do something interesting with it.

Otherwise not worth.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#87662: Oct 4th 2018 at 11:07:08 AM

This isn't even about the OVA for me. This is solely about Minus making Goku a Superman rip-off.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87663: Oct 4th 2018 at 11:21:53 AM

I was hoping if they made her part of the anime that they'd return Bardock back to his more aggressive self

I mean, in the first panel of Dragon Ball Minus we see Bardock breaking an alien's neck.

Like. Just, to go to the interview that led to Minus.

How was the character of Bardock born? (I heard he was born from the TV special, “A Lonely Final Battle”, but…) Also, what sort of attachment do you have to the character Bardock?

Yes, Bardock certainly was born from the anime.
However, I don’t remember the particulars of how it went at that time.

As for his design, I think I probably just gave some editorial supervision to what was suggested to me by [people from] the anime side of things.

I don’t recall a lot about the exact contents of the anime, but I do remember it being quite well done. So I used that setting in the main story, as well.

The Saiyans [as a whole] appear warlike, but what sort of personality does Bardock have?
Of course, Bardock is a Saiyan, too, so he is warlike, but compared to other Saiyans, who are cold-hearted and of simple thoughts, he also happens to possess calm judgment and a small measure of humanity.
Because of his actions of “saving his companions“, which is rare for a Saiyan, he is greatly adored among a portion of the low-class warriors.

Bardock was a lot of things in the OG special, but I'm pretty sure some of that was there?

Please tell us about Bardock’s family structure! Did Goku, and also Bardock himself, have any siblings? (Apart from Raditz, that is….)
The quartet of Bardock, Gine, Raditz, and Kakarrot make up Bardock’s family, such as it is, but all four of them were never together.
Also, I think that Bardock himself might have had siblings, but perhaps even Bardock himself doesn’t really know, and at any rate, he probably has no interest in it, either.

Saiyans don’t have much of a concept of “family”.

The idea that Minus makes Bardock this loving caring dad is. Kinda ridiculous.

His idea of "saving" Goku is sending him to be an infiltrator baby, which Gine says is dangerous. And then leaving him on some backwater that nobody really gives a shit about.

And it's not like Bardock told Kakarot not to kill everyone on the planet so they could sell it.

Pretty sure, and I only saw some of the old Superman movies, that Superman's more. Messianic. Than that.

There's a Superman parallel, sure, but like a cracked and distorted one. A dark mirror reflection. Like an evil universe or, whatever.

And I'm sick of hearing that Goku "rejects" his Saiyan heritage because it's bullshit.

"I'm a Saiyan from Earth" is Goku's definitive line on the subject.

In a way, there's a question of, between Goku, Gohan and Vegeta, who is truly the most "alien" and who is the most "human". For all that Goku and Vegeta are full blooded Saiyans, they lost Planet Vegeta really young, and Goku's been there all his life.

Vegeta never really had a home of any kind, except maybe with the PTO in general.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87664: Oct 4th 2018 at 11:33:08 AM

He's become more accepting of the idea...

He's so nice to Veggie too.

Edited by randomness4 on Oct 4th 2018 at 11:38:08 AM

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87665: Oct 4th 2018 at 11:52:00 AM

Goku spent the first 20 or so years of his life thinking he was an Earthling. A weird Earthling, sure, but so's Tien and Krillin and whatever the fuck Chiaotzu is.

Gohan's known he was part alien since he was 4.

Goku lived by himself, but so does Roshi, being a hermit doesn't mean you aren't from a society or a culture.

Goku might not be Earthling to the bone, but Earth has shaped who he is more than Vegeta ever did.

He answers to Kakarot when Vegeta screams it at him, (probably because correcting him is a waste of time) but he'll always introduce himself as Son Goku.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#87666: Oct 4th 2018 at 11:54:52 AM

He only corrected him when they first met and were on opposing mets.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#87667: Oct 4th 2018 at 11:56:30 AM

Goku may acknowledge he's a Saiyan but he disavows their pirate culture so he is rejecting their heritage of bloodshed & destruction.

Besides that boast to Frieza was more honoring the last words of a man he saw as an equal & pitied.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#87668: Oct 4th 2018 at 12:05:37 PM

Pink Frieza looks weird.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#87669: Oct 4th 2018 at 12:21:58 PM

Hey, are the Pendulum Room Saiyans canon at all? I know they're anime exclusive, but they are named by the Daizenshuu.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87670: Oct 4th 2018 at 12:25:14 PM

The Tuffles existing is apparently canon, and them having invented scouters, and they and them creating scouters were first mentioned in that same chunk of Saiyan Saga filler, so.

Oh, except when Freeza and the Ginyus and Dodoria and all them show up in the trailer they seem to have scouters already??

So that's weird.

Super went out of its way at a few points to mention even Universe 7's Saiyans came from Salad before they conquered Plant and made it Vegeta.

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#87671: Oct 4th 2018 at 12:32:06 PM

Goku wasn't a complete rip-off of Superman prior to Minus being written.

You mean prior to Raditz showing up, because after that the Superman similarities were always there.

And it's not like Bardock told Kakarot not to kill everyone on the planet so they could sell it.

Right, Bardock and Gine only cared that Goku would be safe from Freeza. They didn't care what he did to the people of Earth.

Edited by Cortez on Oct 4th 2018 at 3:35:09 PM

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#87673: Oct 4th 2018 at 12:42:14 PM

"Survive no matter what" is I believe their exact words to Kakarot.

I remember a whole thing in Superman movies where supes's dad was all "that's why i sent you, my only son, to save the hoo mann from their sins" and a lot of jesusy stuff or whatever.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#87674: Oct 4th 2018 at 12:44:59 PM

In the comics, they just wanted Kal-El to survive, without that whole "Superman as Jesus" thing.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#87675: Oct 4th 2018 at 12:45:20 PM

It was more interesting when he didn't cared much about his son.

I thought Saiyan's don't have a nesting instinct.

[up] Man of Steel added the Jesus metaphors because Snyder has a hard-on for allegorys.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 4th 2018 at 12:45:34 PM

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