Videl's entire character at first is that she thinks she's the strongest in the world, or about to be, and she refuses to believe that she could have been surpassed by some low-class commoner from some backwater podunk.
Granted, she thinks being the strongest means she should fight for justice instead of being a pirate or used planet salesman, but. Aside from that.
Videl and Vegeta are remarkably similar at first in terms of attitude and self-evaluation.
Well, considering how much people dislike the beating she got from Spopovitch, I'm glad she didn't become a female Vegeta. She deserves it far less than he did.
When was that? I mean, I can buy it, but I don't recall that one.
One Strip! One Strip!I don't know, maybe because Krillin as a cop was a funny concept and they rolled with it.
Also, he has to work to earn his money. Not the same case for Videl
But the true reason for Videl's Chickification is that Pan stole all her coolness
Uni catAt least she didn't get stabbed in the eye numerous times, crushed by a giant monkey, almost stabbed by a midget, lasered through the chest, got her arm broken, got her shit kicked by a biogenetic monster and blown up trying to kill Kirby's fatter cousin. He deserved it of course, but still.
And half of those people who did that to him are his peers now. Must be ripe for awkward conversations.
But worst of all, she didn't had to spend her early years with Nappa
Edited by fasoman1996 on Sep 18th 2018 at 9:33:48 AM
Uni catShe basically used to be Vegeta as a teenage earthling girl.
If anyone in the cast would have become a cop it would be her, not Krillin.
Especially since I remember her saying she wanted to be a police detective.
Edited by Kamiccolo on Sep 18th 2018 at 8:57:35 AM
OH MY GOD, I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THAT! Yes, Semi-Perfect Cell absolutely should have had wings! Or, at least have those short wings he grew immediately after absorbing 18, that was a good look.
Another thing I've been thinking about, Super Saiyans 2 and 3 give off a lot of electricity in the aura, right? Has that electricity ever been anything but a neat thing to make the aura look prettier? Has anyone ever been shocked by SS2 or SS3 lightning? Seems like giving SS2 and SS3 an electric element would've been a bit more interesting. For that matter, make the SSG aura actual fire, and make the UI aura like, warping of reality around the user or something, have the auras do something besides looking cool.
I think I remember SS 3 Goku giving an electric punch with his aura in the fusion reborn movie...or at least it looked like that
¡PONLE QUE DIGA!:"¡HUMONGOSAURIO HASTA LA MUERTE!""The only couple in DB that hasn't raised serious eyebrows at times pretty much remains Videl and Gohan since Chichi and Goku is basically a running joke at this point."
I actually have way more problems with how Toriyama wrote Videl than how he wrote 18. Videl shows up purely to be Gohan's love interest. There's a running joke in not just how much weaker she is than his kid brother (that's because she's a human) but she also has an insane amount of trouble with stuff like flying that Gohan learnt as a 4-year old and Goten does effortlessly. But that's all just a gag, really; just like how Kid Goku is a gag. So I can write off stuff like that, and her cutting her hair because that's what Gohan likes as just comedy. Kind of tired, been-there comedy, but nothing more.
What I can't write off is the Spopovich fight. It's basically Videl's one serious fight in the entire series and it purely consists of the ever living shit being beaten out of her. Of every single fight in Dragonball, it is the only one I find hard to watch because it is so brutal. Usually, when there's a beatdown, it's actually a fairly short affair, a few gut punches, maybe no selling a really strong ki attack, then a short-sharp finisher.
But Videl and Spopovich goes on for absolutely ages and it's nothing but him tanking her attacks and beating the shit out of her. I don't like to use the term "fridging" often; it's a go-to complaint from the shrill whenever a female character dies and gets hurt and has been overused to the point of meaninglessness.
But this battle is absolutely pointless except for making Gohan angry (anger that has almost zero payoff, by the way). It doesn't establish Spopovich as a threat (because let's be honest he isn't). You could have given this role to literally anyone else and it would have established more threat. And more importantly, in its current state it's just really, really unpleasant in a way that's completely uncharacteristic of Dragonball.
And that's Videl. She turns up, she falls for Gohan, she gets the everloving shit kicked out of her to motivate him, then she marries him. It would have been actually less insulting if she had never been a martial artist to begin with.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Edited by Kamiccolo on Sep 19th 2018 at 11:12:48 AM
I've always found it a bit ironic how people talk as if Videl vs. Spopovich is Toriyama saying "women should stay out of the ring" even though it doesn't seem to actually scar or change Videl at all after she's better, and the reasoning for why it's apparently so much worse or needlessly brutal than anything else always seem to carry the implications of "because she's a girl".
Edited by LSBK on Sep 19th 2018 at 1:19:27 PM
Oh boy it's time for "actually you're the sexist one for not liking watching women get brutalized". I mean I get it, women should be able to get into knock out drag out fights too, but context matters for a lot. And a lot of these example of men getting it real bad have different contexts. Like Gohan vs Buutenks has no where near the same level of verisimilitude. Goku vs Piccolo Jr. has the context of Goku being able to win the battle with his own power. Vegeta vs Frieza has the context of not being Vegeta's only real fight, before or after.
I'm not really sure what relevance the fact that Videl didn't get really upset about in-universe has when she never fights again after it.
Like the fight itself isn't necessarily bad in a vacuum but it's her only fight, she gets curb-stomped, and that's it for her fighting.
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No, it's time for "when people insist this one fight is the most brutal thing ever, even when several others just as, or even more brutal exist, we look at the one thing that's different."
No one is saying anyone has to enjoy it, I'd imagine a lot of the issue is the anime making it seem much longer than it actually is, and I would have appreciated a better payoff. But, there's a giant elephant in the room.
Videl vs. Spopovich is neither a curb-stomp all the way, nor the most brutal outcome. Compared to, say, Gohan vs. Recoome, which was a curb-stomp all the way, and ended with Gohan having his neck broken and twitching on the ground.
If you want to debate, fine, but stop putting words in people's mouths, and exaggerating their arguments. It makes discussing things with you very frustrating.
I'd say it matters when people try and make it out to be Toriyama's condemnation of female fighters or something. Even though it's already been established that most of the cast are useless in fights at this point.
I don't like what happened with her character in Super, but that doesn't have anything to do with the Spopovich fight.
Edited by LSBK on Sep 19th 2018 at 5:15:56 AM

That's because Gero fucked up her emotions. She does smile a lot more often nowadays, but she does have a hard time expressing them.
And even then, i do think Krillin and 18 make a sweet couple. Then again the competition isn't that better anyway
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